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    Default LAC/AC2 Clive Gutteridge Killed 07/09/1942 On Ottawa Memorial

    I think the web site here: has a mistake (what a mistake on the Internet?)

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWcheshire.htm

    it claims that "Clive Gutteridge" a member of 35 Sqn (Leonard Cheshire Crew) was killed when Leonard Cheshire was away from Sqn in 1942 it then links to the CWGC website LAC Clive Gutteridge Killed 07/09/1942

    I have issues with this

    Firstly, in 1941 Gutteridge would have been a Sgt not LAC/AC2 - it seems that the linking was based on assumption "Clive Gutteridge' 1942

    I have seen reference to Gutteridge as being Sgt in July 1941 but NO Initials can anyone please ID Gutteridge on the Cheshire Crew with 35 Sqn in 1941

    Also out of interest why is Clive Gutteridge on Ottawa Memorial?

    This is all to do with my Mystery "E Gutteridge " in 77 Sqn in 1939

    Thanks Paul

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    Chicago Daily Tribune

    Sept 9, 1942

    LAC Clive Gutteridge was one of crew of 6 (3 killed and 3 injured) when a navy patrol
    bomber crashed in East Bay near Pensacola naval air station

    Also killed
    Ensign Thomas W Simonds
    Ensign Robert I THORESON

    Injured Lt James D ???
    I Think it is
    420907 PBY-5B FP132 FL

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    Paul

    I am assuming that you have the details of the crew etc from 35 Squadron ORB (which doesn't show his initials or posting in / out dates); I can only find one mission for him (15th April 1941) when he flew with the crew shown in the photograph on the "Spartacus" site (excluding Rivaz)

    If you need any information from the ORB let me know.

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    Pete
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    Pete

    Thanks if he only in 1 mission reference in ORB they he may have been posted out Halifax Squadrons of World War 2 By Jon Lake states he was on the 35 Sqn Mission to Berlin on 25/07/1941 as (Obs) Piloted by Cheshire along with Brown , Hares , Jackson , Roberts and Weldon but by this date both Hares were Weldon already dead (30th June 1941 35 Sqn and 18th July 1941 (58 Sqn) respectively) I think the book is wrong and taken crew from 15th April 1941 and put them on 25th July 1941 Mission

    So some of 35 Sqn moved to 58 Sqn

    I suspect 'Clive Gutteridge (Obs)' is actually #751055 J Gutteridge WOP on Whitley V Z6666 of 58 Squadron which was shot down 08-Jul-1941 he was PoW


    can you please tell me the crew for Cheshire on 25th July 1941 to confirm this

    Thanks Paul





    Paul

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    Paul

    The ORB has Cheshire, Adkins, Hedley, Hill, Crocker, Martin, Hill for 25th July 1941.

    The squadron Halifax were grounded in May 1941 and many of the pilots (and crew?) were sent to 58 Squadron to practice flying on Whitleys. Cheshire was detached to Wilmslow for Atlantic Ferrying Duties

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    Thanks the J Gutteridge on Whitley V Z6666 was #751055 and was a Wireless OP - The Original Obs on Cheshire crew was George Roberts (POW as Nav on 35 Sqn L9502 08-07-1941)

    So I am quite sure 'Clive Gutteridge' wasn't Clive at all but J Gutteridge (name not on Air 78) POW (not killed) with 58 Sqn
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    I don't know if it's worth noting but Cheshire has him as Guttridge (without the 'e').

    Before he set off to America on ferrying duties:-

    "I said farewell to Revs and Taffy and Jacko and Jerry and Guttridge and Brown and Hares, spent a happy evening with Christopher, and packed my bags."

    p126 Bomber Pilot

    Rgds

    Pete

    Edit: he calls him Gutteridge a few pages earlier
    Last edited by pete102; 21st January 2014 at 17:32.

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    pete102
    thanks for looking at bomber Pilot I don't think he was Guttridge (no E) as no likely candidates in Air 78 or ORB

    Paul

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    Paul
    Cheshire describes him as a 2nd W/Op, light brown hair, a fair moustache and with his girlfriend - about to be fiancee - in town.

    Whether that helps or hinders...

    Pete

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