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    Hello,

    Just for exanple what is the correct spelling :

    N 3 EF.T.S. or 3 E.F.T.S.

    Does it also work for RCAF, RNZAF, RAAF

    Thank you

    Best regards

    Rene

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    Hi Rene,
    I've never seen the first configuration, but have seen 3 E.F.T.S, and also 3 EFTS.
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    Rene, Hi,
    It is a bit of a minefield with different countries/organisations having different 'rules'! I was taught that if you are 'initialising' a word - that is just using the first letter - then you should use a full-stop after each letter. Some word contractions (Dr, Prof, etc.) would take a full-stop, but some not!!!!
    You will know that when searching the LG you have to use a full-stop after each initial forename (or the LG will not play with you!). I think that was the ‘rule’ in the 40’s. 50’s, and 60’s, but by the time we come to the 70’s and onwards the use of the full-stop for initialisations and contractions begins to be less used – possibly the use of computers and ‘texting’ may have had something to do with it?!
    Personally, I would think that either is correct, but keep to one format (or the other) in the same document/paper/book. I don’t doubt that English publishers/editors will have different views from their French counterparts!!
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    In 1960, at Reserve Officer School, it was drilled into me that the RCAF format was ALWAYS "No.1 Squadron" (never just 1 Squadron, which was deemed to be American), while dates followed a specific format (1 February 2014 - NOT February 1 or February 1st). The matter of unit abbreviations was a bit more vague - "Sqn" rather than "Sqdn". Terms like EFTS and OTU were acceptable provided the intended reader was "in the loop" about their meaning - otherwise one spelled them out at least once before resorting to abbreviations.

    As time passed, fewer readers remembered or understood these abbreviations, and a few baffled veterans. The term "Y Depot" was a case in point. In the wartime RCAF a "Y" Depot was a place of embarkation for overseas, so one might expect that it would be called an E Depot - except that "E" was already used for Equipment Depots. Another was "KTS" - Composite Training School (because "C" was already used for Communications.

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    Hello

    I'd go along Hugh on that one, most documents are "No. 1 Squadron", not "N " which is more "continental". I also see more and more "th" (or st or nd or rd) added to Squadron/unit numbers, like the american way (1st Fighter Group), and not the proper R.A.F. way. I've seen recently that in a poorly researched and written French book about D-Day, and the author was constantly using "th" while pictures of original documents in the book showed the correct numbering system...

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    And I have just had a formal letter from my bank which is full of acronyms, initialisations, contractions, etc, etc. The only full-stops are at the end of sentences! There are some 'commas' - but not many!!! The 'rules' for the RAF should be in the latest version of the Manual Of Service Writing (can't remember the AP number!!)
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    Definitely NOT "st", "th" or whatever after the Squadron number!

    Ian
    Last edited by ianh; 1st February 2014 at 14:39.

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    Just to add to Hugh's post (which I generally agree with), today I am looking at RCAF Aircraft Record Cards that use both formats: "3 EFTS" and "No. 3 EFTS", both hand written and typed. From memory, I have seen "No. 3 E.F.T.S." in the past, but quite rarely.

    But to add to the confusion, the "E Depot" that Hugh referred to is usually written as "No. 1 (E) Depot" in war time RCAF records. But at the same time, what should be "No. 6 (R) Depot" is almost always written as "6 RD". There seems to be some freedom allowed.

    As other posters have implied, I shudder whenever I see a Commonwealth unit referred to as the "3rd Whatever". What is wrong with these kids today?

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    And it's even worse with the Marines. 42 Commando, RM, is always known, in speech, as "Four Two Commando"!!!
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    Similar with spoken RCAF. No. 412 Squadron could be pronounced as "Four One Two" or "Four Twelve". Never EVER as "Four Hundred and Twelfth".

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