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    Default Anson N5204 Blue on Blue Shootdown 27th October 1939

    This Anson N5204 of 608 Sqn was shot down by Hurricanes near Humber Light Ship on 27th October 1939

    3 of the crew were killed

    P/O Arthur Denis Baird RAF #91062
    F/L. Geoffrey Whitley Garnett RAF (Auxiliary Air Force) #90302
    Cpl. Richard Andrew Wilson RAF # 808180

    One survived

    AC2 J P Smith RAF #808285 . Wounded

    HMS Stork recovered AC2 Smith and the body of Cpl. Wilson.

    Can anyone provide details of Smith's recovery was the plane ditched?? did he bale out ??

    Thanks

    Paul

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    Paul,

    608 (North Riding) Squadron.

    27th October(1939), though, brought stark tragedy to the squadron, and to the pilot of a Hurricane fighter who mistook Anson N5204 for an enemy raider near the Humber Lightship. The Anson, crewed by Flight lieutenant Garnett (missing believed killed), Acting/Pilot Officer Baird (missing believed killed), Corporal Wilson (killed) and Aircraftman Smith (wounded), fell into the North Sea, Wilson and Smith being picked up by HMS Ganges. As a result of this terrible mistake instructions were received from Air Ministry that all the roundels (the red, white and blue disc-markings) on fuselages and wings be repainted and that undercarriages were to be left down when near our shipping, which our fighters were also protecting, often in very poor visibility. The funeral at St Cuthbert's Church, Yarm Road, Stockton, on 1st November brought home to all who witnessed it the grim reality of war.

    See:
    Twenty-One Squadrons:The History of the Royal Auxiliary Air Force 1925-1957,
    Hunt,Leslie.
    Somerton:Crecy,1992.
    pp.182-3.

    Col.
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    Col

    Thanks look like it was ditched/crash landed

    Paul

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    Default Anson Aircraft No. 5204

    ADM 12/1752 DIGESTS Code 90-1 around folio 228 states:-

    Anson aircraft No. 5204 shot down in error by Hurricane Fighter.
    Allegation by Fighter pilot that British Escort Vessel opened fire on -, denied by Amiralty.
    90-9; 85A-1 [cross references to other places in ADM 12 Digests covering codes 90 & 85 referring to same incident]
    M.01720/40 [original Admiralty file number]

    It was the Admiralty vessel that denied opening fire on the Anson.

    Mark
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    Default Anson Recon Plane PGN 5204

    ADM 12/1752 Digests [Codes] 72 to 90 1940

    Code 90-13 Attacks by Aircraft

    folio 396 states:-
    Anson Recon Plane PGN 5204 shot down by British Hurricanes Report by HMS Stork
    90-1 & 31-5 * [the 90 is Code 90 for Naval Aviation and Code 31.5 is Ships in Distress & Life Saving Services which is in another Digest Volume]
    7029 [History Case number]

    * I have Digest covering code 31-5 for 1939/40 photographed, so I will look it out.

    The Digests in ADM 12 are like huge Naval indexes idexed by year, which refer to some original file numbers and/or Naval War History Case volumes usually found in ADM 116 and ADM 199, with some in ADM 1 Series and elsewhere in ADM at TNA, Kew.

    Should be? in volume ADM 199/33 as that TNA file references to History Case 7029

    ADM 199/33
    FS and FN convoys: reports:
    FN 6, FN 20, FN 21, FN 22, FN 25, FN 26, FN 27, FN 29, FN 30, FN 31, FN 32, FN 33, FN 36, FN 37, FN 38, FN 39, FN 40, FN 41, FN 42, FN 45, FN 46, FN 48, FN 49, FN 50, FN 51, FN 52, FN 53, FN 69, FN 74, FN 83, FN 90, FN 96, FS 2, FS 3, FS 4, FS 5, FS 20, FS 21, FS 23, FS 24, FS 25, FS 26, FS 27, FS 28, FS 29, FS 30, FS 31, FS 32, FS 34, FS 35, FS 36, FS 37, FS 38, FS 39, FS 40, FS 41, FS 42, FS 43, FS 44, FS 45, FS 46, FS 47, FS 48, FS 49, FS 50, FS 51, FS 52, FS 53, FS 54, FS 56, FS 57, FS 58, FS 59, FS 60, FS 61, FS 62, FS 63, FS 65, FS 66, FS 68, FS 70, FS 73, FS 75, FS 76, FS 78, FS 79, FS 80, FS 81, FS 83, FS 83 A, FS 84, FS 85, FS 86, FS 88, FS 90, FS 91, FS 92, FS 93, FS 94, FS 95 FS 96, FS 100.
    1939-1940.
    Case No. 7029
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    Default Naval Digest 31.5 Ships in Distress Life Saving Services re Anson 5204 shot down

    ADM 12/1746 Digest 22-40. 1939 to 1940. The National Archives, Kew.

    Image (extract) from above Digest pages Code "31.5 Ships in Distress & Life Saving Services"

    Hope it displays ok, it is a small extract (cropped) photograph from an extremely large heavy volume!



    It cross references to other ADM 12 Digests covering Codes 27, 90.1 and 90.9 AND

    It also refers to War History Case 7029 [volume] and is ticked so a report survives in the Naval WH Case, in ADM in TNA catalogue series see my previous post how to find the Case 7029 volume, which should have the preserved correspondence in.

    Mark
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    Default Naval Distress 1939 to 1940

    Hello Paul

    I have looked at the 1939 to 1940 Naval Digest folios relating to Code "31.5 Ships in Distress & Life Saving Services" and with the exception of the Anson aircraft (stated) and an unknown Hudson aircraft, all the references in the Naval Digests at 31.5 relate to shipping, Royal Navy H.M. Ships and distress procedure.

    Mark
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    Mark

    Thanks for looking I suspect the unknown Hudson may be N7249 off= 224 Sqn lost 23-04-1940

    Crew:

    P/O Hector Garmen Webb killed , P/O A B J Pearson who was wounded (Parachuted) and LAC William Ferguson Shaw (Parachuted)



    Paul

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