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    Default North Weald ORB Aug 1940 Hurricane N2429 or pilot P/O Wicks or Blenheim L1418 please?

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    Has anyone got the North Weald Station ORB (or appendices if any) handy please, to check Hurricane N2429 incident at North Weald or any reference to pilot P/O B Wicks 40774, circa 14.8.1940?

    Also any reference in same ORB to Blenheim L1418 14th August 1940?

    Thanks Mark
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    Hallo Mark,

    I have nothing on any incident involving Hurricane N2429 around this date, but I have not seen either of the two ORBs mentioned.

    L1418 'ZK-F' was from 25 Squadron but this was based at Martlesham Heath then and not at North Weald until 1 September 1940. Returning from a night patrol it overturned on landing at its base in the very early hours of August 14th. The crew of two were unhurt; F/O William Alexander Coote Emmett (Pilot) and Sgt. John Bernard McCormack (AG). The Blenheim was a write-off.
    For the above I used the Form 78 Aircraft History Card for L1418, Warner, 2nd edition (p.270) and the 25 Squadron ORB (online). In the ORB the patrol is recorded in the F.541 part but not the accident ! I did request a copy of the F.1180 Aircraft Accident Card from the RAF Museum but was informed that there was none.

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    Martin.

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    Thanks Martin

    I have heard that the two aircraft are linked on 14th August 1940, but how (firing, near miss, or whether a collision) is unknown.

    The 25 Squadron ORB and Martlesham Heath Station Form 540 ORB does not even seem to mention the crash of the Blenheim?

    In fact the Martlesham Heath Station ORB records nothing after 11/8/1940 until 15/8/1940.

    Regards Mark
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    'The Battle of Britain, Then and Now', page 354, records the loss of 56 Sqdn Hurricane N2429 (US-T) in combat with Me.110's over Sheppey at 4:15 pm on Tuesday, 13/8/40.

    The Hurricane is believed to have crashed near Seasalter. F/O P.F.M. Davies baled out with severe burns.

    The first reference I can find in the book to P/O B.J. Wicks, 56 Sqdn, is on page 384. On Saturday, 26/8/40 at 12:30 pm he was shot down in Hurricane V7340, over Canterbury, by a 109. The Hurricane crashed in the River Stour, near Grove Ferry.

    P/O Wicks baled out and was unhurt.
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    Default Page of the North Weald Station ORB please mid August 1940?

    Thanks Angelsonefive

    According to TNA, Kew catalogue the surname of Wicks had claims on:-

    16th; 24th and 30th August 1940 given as 56 Sqn (actual document not cheked) per AIR 50/22/323

    1st September 1940 per AIR 50/22/74

    F/Lt Wicks 22nd May 1940 per AIR 50/22/61

    I await the two copies of the beforementioned Hurricane and Blenheim Aircraft Cards concerned with interest.

    I wonder if anyone has the North Weald Station ORB pages please 13-14th August 1940?

    Regards Mark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Gleeson View Post
    Hello Mark,

    I have nothing on any incident involving Hurricane N2429 around this date, but I have not seen either of the two ORBs mentioned.

    L1418 'ZK-F' was from 25 Squadron but this was based at Martlesham Heath then and not at North Weald until 1 September 1940. Returning from a night patrol it overturned on landing at its base in the very early hours of August 14th. The crew of two were unhurt; F/O William Alexander Coote Emmett (Pilot) and Sgt. John Bernard McCormack (AG). The Blenheim was a write-off.
    For the above I used the Form 78 Aircraft History Card for L1418, Warner, 2nd edition (p.270) and the 25 Squadron ORB (online). In the ORB the patrol is recorded in the F.541 part but not the accident ! I did request a copy of the F.1180 Aircraft Accident Card from the RAF Museum but was informed that there was none.

    Regards,

    Martin.
    Hello Martin
    Agreed, Blenheim L1418 is recorded with 25 Sqn as FA O (3) on A.M.78, a Flying Accident Operational with later Strike Off 23.8.40 and no AM1180 at RAFM. Before Henk died he sent me a printed list from a book and upon checking it gives 14th August 1940 for Blenheim L1418 and 14th August 1940 also agrees with an A.M. Accs ref.

    According to A.M.78 for Hurricane IB with Merlin III, N2429 was also FA O (3) Flying Accident Operational with the accident date given as 14.8.40, which agrees with an A.M. Accs Merlin Failure ref date, with Cause of the failure blank and also indicates a "765C" [Flying Accident or Forced Landing Not due to Enemy Action] was later issued "2-9-40", so Bryan John "Wicks 40774" was involved in a Flying Accident on 14th August 1940. The Hurricane was apparently collected "23.8.40" and went to "4 MU" "De Hav" on same date per A.M. Form 78.

    Mark
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    Hi Mark,

    I have checked North Wealds ORB for August and can find no mention of this incident.
    I have also checked 25 Squadrons ORB and summary of events and once again there is no mention of an incident involving Emmett or Blenheim L1418.

    I have also checked 56 squadrons ORB to see if anything is mentioned there, sadly there is absolutely nothing there either.

    I know this doesn't help you but at least it prevents you exploring these avenues any further.

    All the best

    gerry

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