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    Can anyone decipher the third line of the text from the route section of the attached Bomber Command Loss Card. It relates to a raid on Stuttgart on 19th October 1944

    http://www.rafcommands.com/galleries...g?m=1395567697

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    Not wholly sure Pete, but something like 'f----- B of Rheims Chaise'? Could be a 'double ell' in the middle of the first word or the detached cross stroke may make one or both a 'tee'?!

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    Richard

    Thanks for the feedback

    Further investigation this morning on Google Earth shows that the Bomber stream crossed the Rhein on the outward journey, and many of the places in the area have a Rheinstrasse, so I am beginning to think that is what the last word could be, but as for the rest .... it's anyone's guess.

    Interestingly it is only on one of the loss cards so I don't think it is a turning point and therefore it should not affect the route that I have mapped.

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    Pete,
    The route map shows the stream entering France just below the estuary at St Valery sur Somme, then straight line to take in Rheims (Reims) then very slight upward dog leg and then straight to target. So somewhere between Rheims and target, is the place noted after Rheims. If any help, i can send you a copy.
    Alan.

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    Alan

    A copy of the map would be much appreciated; I think you have my e-mail address on file.

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    Hello Pete, Richard and Alan

    4915N/0600E is approximately in the area of Sainte-Marie-aux-Chênes, France

    http://www.map-france.com/Sainte-Mar...-Chenes-57118/

    Sexagesimal geographical coordinates: Latitude: 49° 11' 30'' North / Longitude: 06° 00' 08'' East

    I have very quickly flicked the pages in the AHB Signals Volume III: Aircraft Radio published 'Restricted' in the 1950s and the 1944 RAF Navigation systems were using code words at that point, if some of these names do not reveal themselves as places such as Rheims Chaise, then perhaps they are Nav code words, or part is a code word? Just a thought.

    Mark
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    Something about the Rheims Chain which I think was a Gee (navigation aid) chain on the continent post-D-Day.

    Perhaps 'Lattice B of Rheims Chain', a direction for the navigators' use of their equipment?

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    Further to my post re RAF radio navigation and your reply Ian about GEE, I have had another look at the AHB 1956 Aircraft Radio originally a 'Confidential' publication and under "Gee in the Liberation of North-west Europe" on p.181/182 it refers to the Rheims Chain, recorded in the No.72 Wing ORB in Oct 1944 and on p.185 March 1945.

    Mark

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    Thanks guys

    Following up those leads I found this information on Rheims Chain:

    Operational 5 October 1944. 83.5 MHz
    Master Rheims AMES 7912 became AMES 7913
    B Slave La Capelle AMES 7925 became AMES 105
    C Slave Ligny AMES 7926 became AMES 128
    D Slave Estissac AMES 7924 became AMES 124
    Monitor Mourmelon AMES 7931

    I have no idea what it all means (perhaps someone could provide a simple overview to help me)

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    As Ian says, 'Master' and 'Slave' suggest a Gee chain. No idea what the AMES references are, other than perhaps code for the Gee Stations? Gee worked from a Master pulse and the timings for the pulse to be picked up from the slave stations, so that much seems to fit?

    R

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