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    Is anyone able to provide the route co-ordinates for the raid on Duisburg on 28th / 29th August 1941?

    Any help would be much appreciated

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    Pete,

    Send me a PM with your email address. I will send you copies from the Interception/Tactics Night report which has som info

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    Peter

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    Thanks Peter

    I have sent an e-mail to you.

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    Peter has very kindly sent me the Interception/Tactics Night reports for this raid, but unfortunately they do not contain the route co-ordinates. Does anyone have any other raid documents which contain this information.

    We are trying to put a map together for an exhibition on this loss.

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    I think that this was before the era of the Bomber Stream with prescribed routes.


    Crews were given waypoints of places to ensure exit/entrance to UK and then allowed to transit close to the continent cities but given choice of actual route between.

    In this case a map would contain a spider web of individual tracks.

    I suggest getting a copy of the RDF raid plots as this would show individual routes for North Sea/near continent.


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    Ross

    Thanks for the feedback; the wording in the reports makes a lot more sense to me now. I will follow up your suggestion on RDF raid plots

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    For completeness, I have copied the following information from another thread which I started on this subject:

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    I checked the BCHQ ORB at Kew (AIR24/234) some time ago for that raid. It contains an intelligence narrative, intelligence summary, executive orders, and an air photo of Duisburg for that night. I can supply further info from this source on request. However that document does not include a route. Apparently the BCHQ ORBs began including route maps only in October of that year (AIR24/236).

    However, my mother's cousin was air observer on a 106 Sqdn a/c on that raid, and according to his operational diary they made "landfall over Borum & the Zuider Zee." The diary says a fair bit about a fortunate escape from being coned for 15 minutes, an event corroborated in his pilot's recollections (IWM interview with W/C J.G. Roberts, 2003).

    Hope this helps
    Peter
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    (Note: I have closed the other thread, and linked it to here)
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    Reading through the routes set out in the Interception/Tactics Night report, 4 Group had:

    (i) Orfordness - Schouwen - Dusiburg
    (ii) Hornsey - Loydon - Duisburg
    (iii) Base - Bridlington - Zandvoort - Duisburg
    (iv) Base - Waddington - Aldeburgh - Duisburg

    Firstly, can anyone offer any thoughts on whether Hornsey = Hornsea and suggest a place (presumably coastal in Holland) which would tie in with Loydon (Leiden?)

    Secondly, can I assume that 35 Squadron would have been instructed to take the most direct route from Linton-On-Ouse and therefore Bridlington would have been its nominated route (or is this too much of a simplification?)

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    Pete
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    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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