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    Hi, I am trying to establish the circumstances in which 70293 Flt/Lt J R Hoppe RAF became a prisoner of war, he has a fairly low POW number -371. Can anybody assist with a date/loss of aircraft etc?
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    Hello,

    4/5 December 1940
    No.99 Sqn.
    Wellington IC T2501:LN-F (personal markings of crossed tennis racquets below cockpit - Vivian had married Margaret Croft 'Peggy' Scriven a week or so previously. Scriven won the French Championships in 1933 and 1934, and by 1938 was England's No.1 Ladies tennis player - hence the racquets!).
    Op: Dusseldorf.

    Took off Newmarket. Hit by flak, the crew turned for home but forced-landed on Vitry-en-Artois airfield in the Pas-de-Calais between Arras and Douai.

    F/O F H Vivian -PoW
    P/O H G. de Forest (Canada) - PoW
    Sgt J Gage - PoW
    Sgt R E Bush - PoW
    Sgt C H C Wright - PoW
    P/O J R Hoppe* - PoW

    T2501 was subsequently evaluated at Rechlin, in Luftwaffe markings 5+4.

    * Hoppe, along with several of the abovementioned crew, was involved in a take-off crash in No.99 Sqn Wellington IC L7868, on 25/26 September, 1940, (all OK).

    BCL1(2nd.ed.)/pp.211 & 249-50.

    Col.
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    Rick, Hi,

    If you put 79239 into the LG you get this:-

    John Ray Hoppe
    RAFVR
    Cmd A/Plt Off(P) (79239) 18 May 40.
    Advanced to Plt Off(P) 15 Jun 40
    Promoted Fg Off (WS) 15 Jun 41
    Promoted T/Sqn Ldr 15 Jun 42

    And ‘Hoppe’ into Flight, you get this:-

    PREVIOUSLY REPORTED MISSING, NOW REPORTED PRISONER OF WAR.
    P/O. J. R. Hoppe, 79239. (‘Flight’ 6 Feb 41)

    Something not quite right here (Service number, Rank(s)) – or am I missing something blindingly obvious?

    HTH
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    Thanks for the quick replies guys, much appreciated, if I find out anything else I will add it to the thread.
    cheers,
    Rick

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    Hello,

    Hoppe came to the Service by way of the commissioned air gunner scheme. For details see W/C Jefford's Observers and Navigators, pp.141-3.

    Col.

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    Putting 79239 into the LG gives as my previous. The Service Numbers don’t tie up! Rick says he was “70293 Flt Lt J R Hoppe” when he became PoW. May have been A/Flt Lt (not Gazetted)? But Flight gives his rank as Plt Off (with the 79239 Service Number) – not even Fg Off, and thus a possible A/Flt Lt - when he was reported as being changed from “Missing” to “Now Reported PoW”. It is, I suppose, just possible that he may have been a Substantive Plt Off, an A/Fg Off, and T/Flt Lt all at the same time!! How/why, and by what mechanism, he came into the RAFVR is – to a certain extent – irrelevant (his LG Commissioning shows no evidence of previous Enlisted service). The two Service Numbers (70293 and/or 79239) are slightly(?) capable of typo errors!

    Now, I have no axes to grind in this matter other than to repeat what The Late, Great, Henk Welting once emailed to me when we were discussing WW2 Met casualties – “Let’s just try to get it as accurate as we can”.

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    Hello

    In his PoW questionnaire, his service number is quoted as 79239. Born 17 July 1907, date of enlistment 18 May 1940, profession : motor trader.

    The date of enlistment corresponds to the LG entries quoted by Peter in post # 3. No previous service indeed.

    As for the 70293 mentioned by Ravrick, I think it's a typo.

    Joss

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