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    Gents,

    Looking for any details please on Group Captain Carr, I have no further details other than he was No.2 Base Area Commander with the AASF circa April / May 1940.

    Any details most welcome.

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    Steve
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    Hi Steve

    Probably http://www.rafweb.org/Biographies/Carr.htm

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    Steve

    Surely you are signed up to Malcolm Barrass' site http://rafweb.org/index.html

    He lists details for Sir Roderick Carr.

    Steve

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    Gents,

    I did not realise that 4 Groups Carr was the same man, not for one minute did I think he served in the AASF !!! Gents, thanks both.

    I am going to blame the ale and sunshine !!

    Steve
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    To add to his story:

    CARR, Charles Roderick, F/L, DFC - Air Force Cross - awarded 1 January 1928 in New Years Honours List; reported in Aeroplane of 4 January 1928. Presented by the King, 14 February 1928. Public Record Office Air 30/69 (provided courtesy of Ann Sadler) has citation.

    For courage, skill and determination displayed in the attempted non-stop flight from England to India. On the occasion of the second attempt he showed conspicuous skill in effecting a safe landing at Martlesham Heath in a machine carrying fuel sufficient for a flight of 4,000 miles.

    NOTE: Aeroplane of 22 February 1933 , reporting on the death of F/L L.E.M. Gillman, noted that Gillman had been second pilot to F/L C.R. Carr in an attempt on the world’s distance record. “The flight was made in a Hawker Horsley, a standard service machine with a special arrangement of tanks and equipment. They left Cranwell on May 20 [1927] and after flying 3,400 miles in 34 3/4 hours, they came down in the Persian Gulf. Flight Lieutenant Gillman was again injured, though slightly. On this occasion they beat the World’s Record for Distance”. The AFC was for his share in attempts on the world's long-distance record, flying a special Hawker Horsley. The website “Air of Authority” says of him:

    During the 1920's a number of route proving/record breaking flights were carried out by the RAF. Due to the original co-pilot/navigator being taken ill, Carr was selected to replace him. With Squadron Leader Gayford as pilot they set a new non-stop distance record of 3,400 miles flying the Fairey Long Range Monoplane from Cranwell to the Persian Gulf, between 20 and 23 May 1927.

    The Times (17 August 1934) gave the following (essentially repeated in issue of 30 January 1937):

    Squadron Leader C.R. Carr, DFC, AFC, who has been appointed to succeed Wing Commander C.L. Koeble on flying duties at Gosport, will be remembered as one of the pilots chosen in 1927 to make an attempt on the world’s non-stop flight record. His three gallant attempts - on one of which his machine came down in the Persian Gulf - was unsuccessful, and he had to give up.

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    A summary of the three long-distance flight attempts (one successful and two failures) made by Carr may be in order:

    [1]
    20 May 1927 - took off from Cranwell at 0938 in Hawker Horsley H8607 with Flt Lt E M Gillman as navigator. The destination was Karachi.
    21 May 1927 - ditched in the Persian Gulf at 2015 GMT (22 May 0315 local) due to engine failure caused by an airlock blocking fuel flow.
    The 3420 miles flown during the 34hr 37min flight constituted a distance record (beating the previous by 75 miles). It remained a record for the shortest of time, however, for just a couple of hours later a chap called Lindbergh touched down at Paris at 2222 hrs, having flown 3610 miles solo across the Atlantic. Timing is everything, as they say!

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    18 Jun 1927 - took off from Cranwell in Hawker Horsley J8608 with Flt Lt P H Mackworth as navigator, but returned about an hour later leaking a stream of oil.

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    2 Aug 1927 - took off from Cranwell shortly after midday in Hawker Horsley J8608 with Fg Off E C Dearth as navigator, but ditched in the Danube when the engine overheated. Dearth was injured as the aircraft flipped over onto its back and both men were lucky to escape with their lives.

    A lengthy three-part account of Carr's career was published in the Aviation Historical Society of New Zealand Journal for Dec 1998 and June and Dec 1999.

    Errol

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