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    Hi all,

    I have quite a big challenge for members of our forum - would be anybody capable to identify an airman, a WWII RAF Navigator, who in the 50s was serving as an ATC Officer. His colleague from an ATC corse described him only as follows:

    "... a former navigator who lost an arm and was blinded in one eye when his ship was bombed by the RAF. He was taken a Prisoner of War (POW) in North Africa. When the prisoners were embarking onto an Italian ship at Tobruk, it was hit by a British bomb."

    I hope that his serious injury in captivity and postwar service in the RAF will male possible to indetify him.

    TIA

    Pavel
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    Pavel,

    Do you mean ATC as in Air Traffic Control or as in Air Training Corps?

    The latter would have had many ex-RAF personnel serving as volunteers during the 1950s.

    The difference between the two 'ATCs' will mean a different search route to be followed, so it's important to know. If its ATC as in Air Traffic Control, the Central ATC School is at RAF Shawbury and I can suggest some ways to deal with them.

    Colin Cummings

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    Hi Colin,
    I mean Air Traffic Control, sorry I forgot that there should be also another meaning.
    While reading your answer I got an idea that I can check the ORB of the ATC school to check the new arrivals in this period (if they will be mentioned there) and try to check the names one by one.
    Do you have another advice?

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    Pavel,

    I will ask someone I know who was an ATC officer for many years if he knows of this man. In addition I will try to find out if there is an ATC Officers Association or something like that.

    Colin Cummings

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    Many thanks in advance Colin.
    Just in case - pls ask also for F/Lt Adolf Pravoslav Zeleny, he was also ATC Officer from about 1952 till about 1965.

    TIA

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    Pavel,

    First I can tell you that A P Zeleny was born on 11 October 1914 and commissioned on 23 June 1941, being promoted to Flight Lieutenant on 10 November 1950 and his number was 100025. His seniority was reassessed and there is a revised date of 6 February 1951 against his name. He retired from the RAF on 15 November 1971 and retained the rank of squadron leader, so he must have held acting rank but I don't know when or for how long and he was awarded the MBE. The last Retired List does not show his name and so he had died by 2006.

    As to your one armed navigator. My contact does not know of him and says there is no Air Traffic Controllers Association. However he tells me that the ATC school has all the course photographs and so this might help. Can I suggest you contact The Central ATC School, RAF Shawbury, Shrewsbury, Shropshire and give them all the information you have, particularly regarding dates.

    I'll see if I can find Zeleny's date and place of death.

    Colin Cummings

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    Hi Colin,

    many thanks I will try to contact them as suggested.
    As for Zeleny many thanks for these details, I am doing reasearch about him and I have all the details as birth and death, etc. I was just interested that your contact might met him somewhere. As I have the service details of him I am interested about the stories etc. As for example one member of this forum (I will not mention his name unless he would like to join this thread himself) met Zeleny during his own service and provided me with one lovely story:)

    Pavel
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    Woud this be your Zeleny:

    Adolf ZELENY

    Died in 2010

    ZELENY Adolf (Zeke) Sq Ldr, MBE, aged 95 On 25th January 2010, after a long and adventurous life. Beloved Husband of the late Vera, Father, Grandfather and Great Grandfather. Service at Haycombe Crematorium, Bath on Friday 12th February at 2.00 p.m. No flowers please.
    Dennis Burke
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    Exactly Dennis, many thanks.

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    Thanks to Colin and other members I was able to indetify the correct man - 1206644/(129243) Harold Roy OSBORNE RAFVR

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...rmen-27-7-1942

    Pavel
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