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    Could anyone provide any information (and/or accident report) on a 75 squadron Wellington "B" (possibly X3479) which crash landed whilst training on 15th January 1942?

    Any help would be much appreciated

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    Hi Pete,

    I checked my copy of 'Forever Strong' by Norman Franks and he makes no mention of a crash in Jan 1942.

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    No mention of any flying accidents in ORB of squadron on 15/1/42, nor on previous or following dates. Certain amount of training underway throughout this period however, with such exercises as second pilot training on TR 1335 training and Lorenz beam practice (presume this same as SBAT), night landings, dual flying, circuits & landings (all on 14/1/42); air firing practice plus more second pilots up on local flying practice, more TR 1335 and dual flying practice on 15/1/42; also this night two aircraft on operations, to "targets at Schipol", although only one actually attacked - second aircraft (captain S/L Kitchen, a/c unidentified) "blew a cylinder and returned to base soon after take off". On 16/1/42, still more TR 1335 practice, plus bombing and air firing training. So unless the mysterious Wellington "B" was S/L Kitchen's aircraft, we are still very much in the dark. I gather that there was much snow lying on the ground during January, and this plus the weather generally seriously disrupted most attempts at maintaining pressure on German war making potential.
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    Thanks for the feedback.

    The information comes from a log book which records that the plane crash landed after bombing practice which was aborted due to poor visibility; the pilot was Sgt Marshall.

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    Pete,
    There was a Sgt Marshall with 75 Sqdn in period Nov 1941 to Feb 42, was only on operations as second pilot to Sgt Shilleto, on ops 6/11 – 12/12/41, also some non-op flying between 10 and 22/2/42. However that is all we know of this man's connection with the squadron. The fact that heavy snow on aerodromes, and foul weather generally throughout this period mean that operations were few and far between.

    The history of Sgt Shilleto is almost as mysterious as Sgt Marshall, but the comparative rarity of this name means a sliightly better chance of positive identification. I have made the following tentative attempt - perhaps other Board members can add to the history of this man? As was typical with unit histories in this earlier period of WW2, the postings in or out, and promotions of, NCOs were not a feature, unless they were unfortunate enough to be killed, and even then the initials and service numbers, let alone service numbers, were never mentioned. Fortunately this attitude, typical of pre-war RAF (and RNZAF!) inproved considerably in 1943.

    David D

    Apparently Sgt Shilleto was posted in to squadron as captain of a new crew, no information on previous service. On ops 6/11 – 12/12/41 only, also some non-op flying between 10 and 22/2/42. Crew members were:- 2P) Sgt Marshall; N) Sgt Brown; WOp) Sgt Blair; FG) Sgt Leggett; RG) Sgt Young. Full identitiy possibly 122927 P/O A C SHILETTO, RAFVR, appointed to commission in rank of P/O (on probation) w.e.f. 14/5/42, to F/O w.e.f. 14/11/42, to F/L w.e.f. 14/5/44. Last noted on 7/44 RAF List, not on 10/44 List. Not on CWGC site.

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    Pete,
    There was a Sgt Marshall with 75 Sqdn in period Nov 1941 to Feb 42, was only on operations as second pilot to Sgt Shilleto, on ops 6/11 – 12/12/41, also some non-op flying between 10 and 22/2/42. However that is all we know of this man's connection with the squadron. The fact that heavy snow on aerodromes, and foul weather generally throughout this period mean that operations were few and far between.

    The history of Sgt Shilleto is almost as mysterious as Sgt Marshall, but the comparative rarity of this name means a sliightly better chance of positive identification. I have made the following tentative attempt - perhaps other Board members can add to the history of this man? As was typical with unit histories in this earlier period of WW2, the postings in or out, and promotions of, NCOs were not a feature, unless they were unfortunate enough to be killed, and even then the initials and service numbers, let alone service numbers, were never mentioned. Fortunately this attitude, typical of pre-war RAF (and RNZAF!) inproved considerably in 1943.

    David D

    Apparently Sgt Shilleto was posted in to squadron as captain of a new crew, no information on previous service. On ops 6/11 – 12/12/41 only, also some non-op flying between 10 and 22/2/42. Crew members were:- 2P) Sgt Marshall; N) Sgt Brown; WOp) Sgt Blair; FG) Sgt Leggett; RG) Sgt Young. Full identity of Shilleto possibly 122927 P/O A C SHILETTO, RAFVR, appointed to commission in rank of P/O (on probation) w.e.f. 14/5/42, to F/O w.e.f. 14/11/42, to F/L w.e.f. 14/5/44. Last noted on 7/44 RAF List, not on 10/44 List. Not on CWGC site. Note the problem in spelling - double 'l' or double "t". Apart from Shiletto himslef, no other identirties of these men (possibly all RAF) are known. The early departure of this crew cannot be readily explained, but some similar departures have been connected with overseas postings (to Middle East).
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    Hello,

    You will find a brief history of 122927 F/L Alfred Cecil SHILLETO RAFVR, here:

    http://www.156squadron.com/view_airc...p?pCrewid=1702

    Details of the Moth (T6307) incident on 5/7/1942, can be found in BCL7/133

    A bit more on the following:

    8 March 1942
    No.156 Sqn
    Wellington III X3333 GT-
    Ferry

    Wrecked 1400 after an emergency landing, down wind, at Alconbury. The Wellington ran off the runway and into a large bank of earth.

    Sgt A C Shilleto

    See: BCL3/42

    http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2691141/

    Col.
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    Thanks for all the feedback; it is much appreciated as always.

    I will get hold of a copy of the movement card for Wellington X3479 to see if any repairs are noted and see if there are any accident cards for 15th January 1942. I will keep you posted on progress.

    UPDATE:

    This has just been posted on another forum:

    Looking in the Feltell Log there are some interesting entry's that will give you the answer to the crash-landing.

    15 January 1942.

    19:57 hours "B" 75 Sqdn took off for Bombing Practice at Burners Heath.

    21:10 hours. Control reported that "B" 75 Sqdn, after three 'overshoots' had "piled up" on the flare path at 21:06.
    Fire tender and ambulance sent out. Station Commander informed.

    21:26. Control reported that "B" 75 Sqdn had gone right through "F" dispersal. There was no other damage - Flare Path ok.
    Crew ok. Station Commander informed.

    21:45. The Medical Officer reported that the crew of aircraft "B" were uninjured, except for one, who suffered a sprained wrist.


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    Tony Shilleto, as he was always known, trained at No 5 SFTS, Sealand, then 20 OTU Lossiemouth, before being posted to 40 Squadron. As second pilot he was slightly wounded in a night fighter attack during a sortie to Rotterdam on 12/13 June 41, and flew most of a tour before, I believe, joining 75 Squadron to complete his tour, this perhaps because th squadron was moving to Malta, and he was close to completing his tour, which made it not worth sending him and his crew out to Malta.. He was, indeed, killed in a collision betwen two OTU Wellingtons in 1944.

    David

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    Pete
    Are you interested for a specific reason? Might be worth contacting the UK or NZ Assn via www.75squadron-raf-rnzaf.com as someone is doing a new Sqn history and there might be info in there :)
    Dee

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