440901 - Unaccounted Airmen - 1-9-1944

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

440901 - Unaccounted Airmen - 1-9-1944

From Henk's List -

ISRAEL
TAILFORD, John Murrey - W/O - 546147 - RAFVR - Ramleh War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine.

ITALY
GIRVAN, William Thomas Whitelaw - LAC - 635883 - RAF - Assisi War Cemetery, Italy.

LIBYA
MURRAY, Angus Findlay - AC1c - 1340465 - RAFVR - Tripoli War Cemetery, Libya.

MALTA
TRUMPER, Eric Ronald - W/O - 988005 - RAFVR - Malta Memorial, Malta.
WILBUR, Wilbert Erik - F/L - 100546 - RAFVR - Malta memorial, Malta.

UK
ADLARD, Kenneth Scott - Cpl - 517596 - RAF - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
HUNT, Edward William - LAC - 1441820 - RAFVR - Eastbrookend (Dagenham) Cemetery, Essex.

From CWGC & Geoff's sites -

EGYPT
JAMIESON, Robert Dempster - W/O - 1025843 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.

UK
SHORT, Colin Vernon - Sgt(Pilot) - 1581345 - RAFVR - Northampton Couinties Crematorium, Northamptonshire.

Alex

[wwrsimon]

ADLARD 1581345 - seems to have been registered in Northumberland South, but commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. Perhaps lost at sea?

Simon

[malcolm_raf]

Hi

ISRAEL
TAILFORD, John Murrey - W/O - serving at HQ ME, possibly killed whilst flying in Argus II, FS647 of the HQ ME, which failed to return from a film sortie to Littorio.

ITALY
GIRVAN, William Thomas Whitelaw - LAC - 334 Wing

LIBYA
MURRAY, Angus Findlay - AC1 - 16 SP MALTA
TRUMPER, Eric Ronald - W/O - probably killed whilst flying in Argus II, FS647 of the ME Comm Flt, which failed to return from a film sortie to Littorio.
WILBUR, Wilbert Erik - F/L - se above.

EGYPT
JAMIESON, Robert Dempster - W/O - 22 PTC.

UK
ADLARD, Kenneth Scott - Cpl - registered in Northumberland South.
HUNT, Edward William - LAC - registered in Ilford.
SHORT, Colin Vernon - Sgt(Pilot) - probably killed whilst flying in Oxford I, HM612 of No 11 (P) AFU, which flew into the ground in Cheshire whilst low flying.

Malcolm

[dennis_burke]

The Adlard situation has been mentioned before. The CWGC would have been unable to trace where he was buried so his name appears on Runnymede. note that there is no next of kin information mentioned either.

And the Runnymede panel number is a high one, 289, this is another clue. if he was registered dead in the UK that is a clear indication of body and remains.
The printed register has his name in an addenda titled:

The following names, received too late for inclusion in their proper order on the Memorial, were added to it after the original edition of the register has been published.

And example from the same page is:

WAAF ACW2 P M Duffield who has a green marker by her name. Her online entry now says:
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/ca...PHYLLIS%20MARY
Please note that the grave of this casualty is currently unmarked, however the Commission is in the process of erecting a headstone.

[wwrsimon]

Thanks for the information Dennis.

Regards

Simon

[Resmoroh]

Seems like there should have been NoK

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
ADLARD Walter Scott Salford 8d 279
PLATT Sarah Ellen Salford 8d 279

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Adlard Kenneth S Platt Prestwich 8d 612

Marriages Jun 1941 (>99%)
Adlard Kenneth S Bettens Nottingham 7b 813
Bettens Marguareta Adlard Nottingham 7b 813

Births Jun 1943 (>99%)
Adlard Keith S Bettons Nottingham 7b 541

and progeny from the 1941 Marriage (if you accept the MMS typo?)

HTH
Peter Davies

[dennis_burke]

Everyone has next of kin Peter,

but if in 1948 the CWGC write to the wifes 1944 or 1941 address and she has moved on, or the parents are too upset then no one replies and you become a bit lost in the system.

[Resmoroh]

Dennis, take your point entirely.
My aim was, simply, to show that NoK did exist at the time, but that CWGC could/did not expend the time/effort - at the time - to find all of them! It was just - as Henk would say - to set the record straight!!! We are making corrections to CWGC even today.
HTH
Peter Davies

[alclark]

Short is confirmed by the No.11 (P)AFU ORB as being the sole occupant of Oxford HM612 which crashed while he was carrying out unauthorised low flying below 250ft. It seems from that statement that he was permitted to flying down to 250ft but not below (except obviously for take off and landing). The Court of Inquiry found that he had agreed to rendezvous with a pupil flying from Wrexham (who was permitted to carry out forced landing practice in their low flying area) and were doing a low level tail chase.

[wwrsimon]

Justa quick update on ADLARD. The Newcastle Evening Chronicle of September 8th 1944:

DEATHS
ADLARD, Whitley Bay, 18, Roxburgh Tce., 7^th Kenneth Scott (ex R.A.F.), dear husband of Margaret. Cremation, West Road, Newcastle, Sat. 10.30 a.m.

So, no known grave or memorial/commemoration, hence the inclusion of his name on the Runnymede Memorial.

Regards

Simon