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    W/C Keefer George 125 Wing crashlanded his Spitfire in the Liége area ( Belgium ) after being hit by Flak.Wich Spitfire was he flying ?

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    Alain

    George Keefer was WingCo Flying of 125 Wing from 13 November 1944 until 14 July 1945 what date are you seeking information on please?

    What is your interest in him please?

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    Hi Allan ,

    Sorry forgot the date 24/01/145 , my interest in this event is to put all this information in a database concerning crashes and accidents in Belgium during WW II.

    Alain

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    Hello Alain

    2nd Tactical Air Force - vol 3 "From the Rhine to Victory" states

    e1650 Spitfire XIV Identity Not Known flak near Liege, possibly RB159 CatAC for 23 January 1945, no similar incident for 24 January 1945. 125 Wing was then operating from Y.32 Ophoven in Belgium.

    It is recorded in the 125 Wing ORB for 23 January 1945 as well stating "....Finally, we have to record that the W/Cdr met with an adventure. He was flying with 41 Sqdn late in the day and his aircraft was damaged to such an extent that he had to make a forced landing near Liege. We are glad to report that the W/Cdr is safe and back with us again."

    Whilst the 125 Wing ORB is an excellent source of information it does not give individual aircraft codes or serial numbers.

    I have checked the Form 541 for 350 (Belgian) Squadron for January 1945, as it lists serial numbers but not codes, but cannot see George Keefer listed at all as being in any of their formations. Perhaps someone who has access to the 41 Squadron ORB (Forms 540/541) for that day will be able to provide the serial.

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    Alain & Allan,

    Spitfires.ukf.net has for RB159: 20-1-45 crash at "Moldeghem" (= Maldegem), Belgium out of fuel, 610 Sqn. Repaired and on 15-2-45 assigned to 350 Sqn, where it got Cat. B damage on operations 23-2-45. Apparently repaired again, for on 26-4-45 it went to 41 Squadron.

    Perhaps "RM791 CAC ops 23-1-45 41 Sqn" another candidate? Repaired and went to Belgian Air Force as SG-22 after the war. 2 TAF Vol. 3 says RM791 damaged by Fw190 near Hamm (Germany), while spitfires.ukf.net gives RM796 for same incident.
    Both RM791 and RM796 were repaired by 409 RSU, which (I think....) was in Belgium at that time.

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    Hello Leendert

    Thanks for your additional information - If you also follow this thread on TOCH http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=54965#post54965 you will see that Chris Thomas has responded - this is a small precis of his text "Keefer's forced landing was on 23 January 1945 (c.1650) and details remain elusive. It seems he was not flying his usual aircraft as he had damaged RM809 earlier in the day. There is no known Spit XIV loss which fits the date, nor any accident record. No serials recorded in Wing or Squadron ORBs. Some Spits were recorded as damaged on that day but we have been unable to tie down any particular one to this incident."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leendert View Post
    Perhaps "RM791 CAC ops 23-1-45 41 Sqn" another candidate? Repaired and went to Belgian Air Force as SG-22 after the war. 2 TAF Vol. 3 says RM791 damaged by Fw190 near Hamm (Germany), while spitfires.ukf.net gives RM796 for same incident.
    Both RM791 and RM796 were repaired by 409 RSU, which (I think....) was in Belgium at that time.

    Regards,

    Leendert
    Brugge/Belgium

    I have S/Ldr BENTHAM in RM791 for 23-1-45 but no name against RM796. I doubt it was RB159

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