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    Would appreciate any amplification or corrections re the following movements for an RAF navigator sent to Canada for training:

    UK:
    1ACRC
    101TW
    Wilmslow in Cheshire
    Arnold

    Canada:
    31PD
    Maxwell (or Haswell?) field
    Americus
    31PD Moncton
    Trenton (KTS)
    5 AOS
    7 Bay Paulson.
    1CM(B or S) Rivers
    31 (O or Q)RS Charlottetown
    No.16A Nav Recon course at Charlottetown PEI.

    TIA,

    Robert

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    Rob

    As a start point for you:

    UK

    1 Air Crew Reception Centre (Regent's Park)
    10 Initial Training Wing (Scarborough)

    Canada

    31 Personnel Depot, Moncton
    Maxwell Field (USA), Alabama
    Americus, Georgia
    RCAF Trenton
    5 Air Observer School, Manitoba
    7 Bombing and Gunnery School, Paulson
    1 Central Navigation School, Rivers
    31 General Reconnaissance School, Charlottetown

    Looking at the postings (and without the benefit of seeing his service record) one possible scenario is that he failed a pilot assessment at Americus and was returned to the depot at Trenton where he was remustered in the trade of Navigator (under training).

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    Thanks, Pete. Believe your supposition is right on - he was hoping to be a pilot but became a navigator. Do you know why he would have been assessed at Maxwell in the USA rather than in Canada?

    I don't have the service record yet but hope to see it soon.

    Robert

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    Re question about Canada and US iIIRC this is dealt with in Arnold Scheme: British Pilots, the American South and the Allies Daring Plan by
    Gilbert Guinn


    However I can't remember the specifics and it is a difficult book to read

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    Re question about Canada and US iIIRC this is dealt with in Arnold Scheme: British Pilots, the American South and the Allies Daring Plan by
    Gilbert Guinn


    However I can't remember the specifics and it is a difficult book to read

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    Rob

    As Paul says, he was sent out on the Arnold Scheme rather than on the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan (BCATP).

    There are some bits and pieces on the internet about it (if you search on Arnold Scheme) with one confirming that Americus was another Arnold Scheme training base, so he may well have done various phases of training (basic, primary, advanced?) before he was remustered.

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    KTS is probably the Composite Training Squadron at RCAF Station Trenton, Ontario. ("K" was The RCAF short form for Composite, "C" had already been used by "Communications" units.) This unit was orignally formed to train civil pilots as staff pilots for aircrew schools, but later in the war it appeared to also become a holding unit for people in between units, or who got shifted out of the regular training sequence by illness or accidents. Since it was a holding unit, it is possible that your man was never actually at Trenton while on their books.

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    Thank you all,

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    I am fairly certain that RCAF Trenton (CTS/KTS) was more than just a "holding unit" and that a posting to it was actually a physical posting and not just for administrative purposes (that is, on their books for contact details, but physically somewhere else for accommodation and messing, such as a hotel). My reading on this is that all "washed out" (ususally "terminated from flying training course") pupils were posted to Trenton from fairly early on WW2 (say by late 1941?) were interviewed and re-assessed here, with the idea that the financial expenditure already invested in training the pupil to this stage should not be simply wasted, and every effort should be made to keep him in some kind of aircrew training. This often involved salvaging the pupils somewhat battered morale and convincing him that he still had a place in the scheme. If and when the pupil was convinced that he could continue, he was directed to the flying trade that looked most promising from his results already assessed on his record. I think this is covered in one of thr RCAF official histories.
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    Hello,

    Just a little exemple of a posting

    Sgt Ronald Fontaine was posted to :
    07 Sep 1942 Gunter Fields (USA) as pilot training , he failed
    14 oct 1942 KTS Trenton Canada
    24 Oct 1942 31 B & G School Picton Canada

    Best regards

    Rene

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