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    Corporal Fitter Christopher John Loud #243592

    Re: J7946
    Letter from Group Captain Albert Edward Dark in Aeroplane November 1994 . Suggests serial is incorrect he said he had a photo of J7946 in flight, with two Fox IA in close proximity. The other two Fox are J9028 and J7943 were not received by squadron until Feb 14, 1929 and March 1, 1929 respectively. He also flew J7946 on two separate dates: Sept 24 and 25, 1929 - '


    re: Leads The Field The History of No.12 Squadron - Royal Air Force.
    Mason,T F/O
    N.p:No pub.,1960.

    Does it have anything on the following 12 Sqn Fox incidents

    26-Jul-26: Fairey Fox 12 Sqn J7944 collided with J7942 at 1000ft near Andover 26.7.26.

    Flt. Sergt. Harry Chester Steanes baled out OK
    Flt. Sergt. Walter James Frost baled out OK - I would like to know was in what aircraft!

    19-Jan-27 Minor accidents involved Fairey Fox J7949 12 Sqn which crashed on aerodrome from about 150' owning to a the throttle control becoming disconnected 19.1.1927. Rebuilt. Pilot F/O R T Read OK, pax AC1 Welch who was flying in the bottom of the fuselage at the time of the accident was slightly injured in the back


    25-Sep-27 Fairey Fox J7951 12 Sqn force landed Aston Rowant, Oxfordshire 25 September 1927. P/O A F Merrrit Pilot and Pax AC2 H A Lacey both brusied but no serious injury

    03-Dec-27 Fairey Fox 12 Sqn J7941 - Flew into trees landing in fog, Enfield Middx 2 killed. Times incorrectly says 'Bristol Fighter' but from RAF Uxbridge but "came from Andover". Crashed The Chantry, The Ridgeway - Definitely Fairey Fox

    Fg Off Robert Darley Whelan (Pilot) aged 27 killed. AC2 Henry Arthur Lacey #357736 (Observer) aged 22 Killed -



    16-Aug-28 August 16 1928 Fairey Fox 12 Sqn J7954 caught fire at 2,000ft and forced landed in standing crops where-upon the main fuel tank exploded fortunately a few seconds after the occupants had escaped. Piloted by Sergeant Tilbury, who had as observer Corporal Stevenson,

    02-Feb-29 Fairey Fox 12 Sqn - J7958 ; Forced landed, 1.2.29 (repaired)

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    Paul,

    I preface anything I write with the caveat, that "Leads The Field", was printed in 1960 - nearly sixty years ago. It wasn't bad for its time, but it is now completely out of date.

    "LTF", places Steanes in Fox J7944, and Frost in Fox J7942.

    I did not have access to my file on the Fairey Fox when I wrote up the earlier posting. Having retrieved the file, I notice I had recorded G/C Dark's comments (AM/Nov,94, p.65). I also recorded a follow-up from the author of "LTF", T. Mason:

    "Fox hunting"

    Sir,

    On October 11, 1928, a Fairey Fox of No.12 Squadron crashed at high speed into Hendon aerodrome, killing the pilot, Flt Lt W. E. Somerville [sic] and the gunner, Cpl Loud.

    In 1960 I recorded this event in a history of No.12 Squadron, "Leads The Field", which was privately published, and, in an appendix, identified the aircraft as J7946. Now, some 66 years after the event, I learn that the aircraft was probably not J7946, as there is documentary and photographic evidence that this machine was flying at least well into 1929.

    After some 34 years, I do not remember the source of the identification recorded in "Leads The Field" - but the information was probably taken from the squadron's official record, the Form 540 now held at the Public Record Office, Kew. Since 1960 at least, two other published works have given the number of the crashed aircraft as J7946.

    The intriguing question is, if J7946 was not the aircraft involved, which was it? It seems that all the remaining Foxes are accounted for - either already struck off charge prior to October 1928, or flying after that date.

    Can any of your readers shed light on this minor item of Royal Air Force history?

    T. MASON. Fulbourn, Cambridge.

    "SKYWRITERS"
    Fox hunting. (T.Mason).
    Aeroplane Monthly. February, 1995. (Vol.23. No.2. No.262), p.47.

    Unfortunately, there was no follow-up (that I could find), in "Skywriters"

    I will have a look at the other queries later on - bit hectic at the moment.

    Season's Greetings,

    Col.

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    Thanks Interesting: had suspected that Steanes may have been in J7944 as it is apparent that Frost had hit him from behind and his tail was ripped off. His plane would have gone in vertical
    J7942 was rebuilt so may have gone in with a "flatter" approach especially as his starboard upper mainplane sheared in half and he had some element of control before abandoning aircraft

    J7944 collided with J7942 at 1000ft near Andover ""26"".7.26. Written off Charge 19.8.26 -

    J7942 collided with J7944 at 1000ft near Andover ""26"".7.26. Makers rebuilt TOC -12 Sqn ? AVIA 6/6880 (1929) - Examination of engine mounting from Fairey Fox J7942 -

    See the later AVIA date 1929 as well..


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    Also re: J7946 (F852) First flown 28.6.26, TOC 12 sqn 6.26

    Coroners report says plane flown 302 hours and 18 Months old - So we would look for a build date around June / July 1927

    I can't find a picture of wreckage especially tail which may provide more evidence

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    I think it might actually be J8423 (F875); FF 23.6.27; TOC 12 Sqdn "7.27 8.29" for Somerville/Loud instead of J7946

    It is the only one of the 5 that were '18 Months Old' in October 1928 with no definite Fate

    Also it was used as a Display Aircraft

    http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205015753

    "Fox J8423 being flown by Flt Lt Holseley at Hendon, June 1928"

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    BRADFORD, Ernest, Corporal (347098) - killed 10 May 1928 at Invergordon in a Southampton flying boat of No.480 (Coastal Reconnaissance) Flight. The pilot, F/L Alick Charles Stevens, sustained minor injuries.

    The Scotsman - Friday 11 May 1928:
    An accident occurred at an early hour yesterday morning to the flying boat S 1126, one of a flight of six attached to the Fleet stationed in the Cromarty firth. The flight was manoeuvring over the Firth, when S 1126 , with a crew of four men, proceeded to descend, and in doing so struck and broke the mast of the Royal Air Force auxiliary ship Adastral which acts as tender. The flying boat crashed in a nose-dive into the Firth, and immediately began to sink. Three of the four men on board extricated themselves and swam about until picked up by a motor boat, and were taken ashore to hospital, suffering chiefly from shock. The fourth man, Corporal Ernest Bradford, telegraphist, belonging to Worthing, was not seen, although a search was made. Subsequently, when the flying boat was towed to harbour, the body was found. Flight-Lieut. Alick Charles Stevens, the pilot, received minor injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmcmillan View Post

    Kendal Atterton Miller 1911 Pembrokeshire 1926 560850 Scholar

    Died 26/11/1928

    Killed when a number of cadets were lifting an aircraft tail at RAF Halton without instructor present and lost hold and plane nose fell on him
    Paul,

    Miller was a member of the 13th Entry, RAF Halton on 1 January, 1926. Died 26/11/1928? If so, he should be listed on the 1928 casualties thread.

    Col.
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