Spitfire mk. Xii crash sites germany

**Perfectlywindysky** · 14th August 2014, 11:17

Does anyone have any information on any Mk. XII Spitfires that crashed/crash landed in Germany. A plane that was lost on a Ramrod escort or a reconnaissance mission or maybe to bomb an airfield ? I would be very interested in any crash site information (serial no of the plane would be nice), but I am particularly looking for any that was lost in the Ludwigslust (site of WW2 airfield) area. In Hamburg/Mecklenburg corner of Germany. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

**Phil Listemann** · 14th August 2014, 12:03

Are you sure it is a Mk.XII and not a Mk.XIV which is I think the most probable.

Phil

**Perfectlywindysky** · 14th August 2014, 12:14

Hi Phil, You could be right, maybe a conversion? I have a artefact from a crash site and the serial number is from a XII.
Doug

**Graham Boak** · 14th August 2014, 13:19

If a part was designed for the Mk.XII, then it would have a number identifying it as such. This number would remain the same as long as the part continued in production, regardless of what later variants it was fitted to.

**Perfectlywindysky** · 14th August 2014, 20:28

None of the 100 XII Spitfires crashed in Germany, closest I got was Belgium. So it looks like it could be a XIV.

So does anybody know of a Spitfire XIV crash site in Germany, in the Hamburg/Mecklenburg corner of the country.

Any information would be gratefully appreciated. Is there any Spitfire crash sites in Germany would be the question?

**allan125** · 15th August 2014, 21:04

Hi

125 Wing operated the fighter version of the Spitfire XIV up in that area - moving to Celle in April 1945, so if you have any further information I will see what I can do for you. An approximate date would probably help.

cheers

Allan

**Steve Brew** · 16th August 2014, 06:05

I would agree that no Spit XII's made it past Belgium. The reason for this is that no Spit XII's were ever based on the Continent. The only two front line Sqns that were issued the Spit XII - 41 & 91 Sqns - were both issued XIV's before moving to the Continent. As for Spit XIV crash-sites, however, I imagine there must be quite a number of possibilities. That said, 41 Sqn does not appear to have reported any casualties in this area.

**Perfectlywindysky** · 16th August 2014, 11:29

Thank you all very much for your comments and info, it is greatly appreciated. The part I have, definitely was made for a Type 366 with the correct serial number. A Spitfire Mk. XII relic came from a crash site near Ludwigslust, that means that the part was fitted to another plane, probably Mk. XIV, the only logical explanation. I have 2 Mk. XIV crash sites at Parchim. Ludwigslust and Parchim were both airfields during WW2? A key to this if it was one of the two planes, would be the dates the airfields were being used? I read somewhere that the Luftwaffe changed airfields, Ludwigslust to Parchim in early 1945? There could be more crash sites in the area also.

The Spitfires shot down were RN204 AND RM727. Does anyone have the Squadron/plane code for these?
This might be "pie in the sky" but I am going to run it by you anyway. A part made for a Mk. XII was fitted to a Mk. XIV and then was shot down at Parchim. The Germans (Russians) decided to salvage the plane and take it back to Ludwigslust for whatever reason. Does that sound plausible?

**Bill Walker** · 16th August 2014, 13:20

I think it would be more correct to say "a part designed for a Mk. XII". If the part did not change in later Marks, its part number would not change and the part would continue in production.

**Perfectlywindysky** · 16th August 2014, 14:47

Originally Posted by Bill Walker

I think it would be more correct to say "a part designed for a Mk. XII". If the part did not change in later Marks, its part number would not change and the part would continue in production.

Thanks Bill