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    No. 35 Squadron ORB's record that in the latter part of 1939 until April 1940 it was charged with training aircrew to replace any casualties incurred by squadrons in the Advanced Air Striking Force [AASF].

    The ORB records that it received 2 Avro Anson for training purposes in July 1939 and that it had 6 in January 1940; I was wondering if anyone has the serial numbers of these aircraft.

    I do have N5191 and N5265 (from "Bomber Squadrons of the RAF and their aircraft" by Philip Moyes) as a starter for ten, but I don't have any dates etc for these two.

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    Pete
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    Pete - email sent :)

    Greg
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    I've just emailed the info below to Pete, but just in case it is of use to anyone else here, I'll paste my reply below. The source is Air-Britain's "RAF Aircraft N1000 to N9999". I'm guessing most of you will be familiar with all the abbreviations, but "Mona" has me flummoxed. Perhaps one of the regulars can decipher that one for us? Anyway, it passed half an hour while I was quaffing a single malt (Ardbeg, for anyone interested) and contemplating the kicking my Cardiff Blues boys will be getting from Glasgow tomorrow afternoon in the Pro 12...

    L/O

    Greg

    Hi Pete - Just checked the "N1000 to N9999" register, and starting with the two you gave me: -

    N5191 144 Sqn / 35 Sqn / 17 OTU / RAE / 17 OTU / 29 OTU / 6 PAFU / 5 PAFU / SoC 21-11-44
    N5265 35 Sqn / 207 Sqn / 16 OTU / 1 AONS / 4 BGS / 4 AOS / 20 OTU / 10 RS, and then SoC 25-7-47.

    You can add: -

    N4997 44 Sqn / 35 Sqn / 17 OTU / crashed and SoC 13-8-41
    N5026 7 Sqn / 35 Sqn / 17 OTU / 27 OTU / 5 AOS / 4 OAFU / crashed and SoC 30-12-43
    N5124 35 Sqn / ERFTS / 12 FTS / to RCAF 21-3-41
    N5130 35 Sqn / ERFTS / 12 FTS / 3 AONS / 2 SAN / 4 AOS / 2 SAN / Mona (no idea what unit this is Pete, and it isn't in the glossary!!) / 8 OAFU / Crashed after wing broke off in air 16-2-44
    N5164 106 Sqn / 35 Sqn / 17 OTU / 18 OTU / 17 OTU / 29 OTU / 1 PAFU / SoC 15-3-45
    N5166 106 Sqn / 207 Sqn / 35 Sqn / 17 OTU / 14 OTU / 24 OTU / SoC 28-9-44
    N5196 50 Sqn / 35 Sqn / crashed on take-off from Cranfield 15-11-39 (Chorley Vol 1 page 22 refers to this crash)
    N5206 608 Sqn / 35 Sqn / 17 OTU / to SAAF 23-6-41
    N5240 35 Sqn / ERFTS / 1 SAN / 9 AOS / AFEE / to 6557M 5-48
    N5264, 35 Sqn and then 17 OTU before DBR 10-7-40

    So, twelve in all according to A-B. The data in the A-B serials list was mostly taken from the Movement Cards Pete, so the "gen" is as accurate as the person who maintained the Form 78s.

    The above all came from a batch of 500 Anson Mk.1 aircraft delivered in a time frame that neatly covers the dates you were looking at Pete. There may well be one or two others in other serial ranges, but if you want them, I'll lend you the book and you can look through it yourself!! :) I'll cross-post the above to RAF Commands, just in case it's of use to anyone else.

    Hope that helps buddy, I'll take a pint off you if and when we ever find ourselves in the same pub at the same time!!

    All the best,

    Greg
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    Greg

    Mona is an airfield on Anglesey.

    regards

    DaveW

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    I have already thanked Greg for spending the time and effort on this for me, but wanted to record my thanks publicly too.

    Regards

    Pete
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    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Pete - no worries :)

    Dave - thanks for that. I did ought to have known realy, it being in Wales and all that, but Cymru Gogledd is a long way away and vastly different to the south, and not somewhere I am really very familiar with at all :)


    One thing that did come out of that little exercise was the number of bomber squadrons that appeared to have a number of Ansons on charge at some point. I wonder if the crew-training issue that Pete referred to in his initial post was quite common at that stage in the war? Perhaps someone with a knowledge of such things can enlighten us?

    L/O

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    Greg

    On that point, No 35 Squadron was specifically tasked with training aircrew for replacing casualties, initially for No 15 and No 40 Squadron, and then for all AASF Squadrons.

    It merged with No 207 Squadron, No 53 Squadron and No 63 Squadron during the latter part of 1939 and then with No 90 Squadron in April 1940 to form 17 O.T.U.

    As you say, there must have been many other squadrons tasked with preparing aircrew for the operational squadrons at that time.

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Thanks Pete. I guess the transfer to 17 OTU shown against a lot of the aircraft was a purely a paper exercise then :)
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