450108 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 08-01-1945

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

450108 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 08-01-1945

From Henk's List -

Princess Mary's RAF Nursing Service
GOMER, Pauline Mary - Sister - 6285 - PMRAFNS - East Retford Cemetery, Nottinghamshire.

WAAF
UK
GROSERT, Eileen Margaret - ACW1c - 479451 - WAAF - Newcastle-Upon-Tyne (West Road) Crematorium, Northumberland.

UK
ARMSTRONG, Peter Ronald - F/O (WoP) - 179030 -RAFVR - Pinner Cemetery, Middlesex.
CHEESMAN, William - Sgt - 1584815 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
GOLDING, Horace Edward - F/S (Flt/Engr) - 1587410 - RAFVR - Bristol (Greenbank ) Cemetery, Gloucestershire.
McKENNA, James Neil - F/S (Pilot) - 1672426 - RAFVR - Glasgow (Riddrie Park ) Cemetery, Glasgow.
McNEILLY, Charles - AC2c - 1552222 - RAFVR - Glasgow (St. Peters ) Roman Catholic Cemetery, Glasgow.
STEVENS, Henry Minton - W/O - 755930 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
THORN, Robert Cuthbert - F/L - 70675 - RAF - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
TREMAIN, John Henry - LAC - 1518800 - RAFVR - Mill Hill Cemetery, Middlesex.

From CWGC & Geoff's sites -

EGYPT
COOPER, John Orbell - F/S - 1458095 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
KENNEDY, John Roy - Sgt - 1571554 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
POULTON, Clement Stephen George - Sgt - 2222235 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
VINCENT, Kenneth Joseph - Sgt - 1867361 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
WEBSTER, Harry Stewart - Sgt - 1523617 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.

ISRAEL
CLOWES, George Arthur - W/O (A/G) - 1314053 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
GRUBB, Charles Greig - F/S (Pilot) - 1057860 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
HADDOW, John Allan - Sgt - 1341177 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
JONES, John - W/O (A/G) - 1401008 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
LANE, Donald Owen - F/S (Nav) - 1320607 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
WOODGATE, John Alan - F/S (Flt/Engr) - 1629272 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].

UK
BARKELL, John Donald Stewart - F/O (Flg/Instr ) - 150443 - RAF - Oxford (Botley) Cemetery, Oxfordshire. [ Oxford I - LW903 - 18 AFU ].
BIFFEN, Harold - W/O (WoP-A/G) - 1336043 - RAFVR - Chester (Blaconden Cemetery, ) Cemetery, Cheshire. [ Anson I - EF935 - 10 AFU ].
LEWIS, Francis - Sgt (Wop) - 1898112 - RAFVR - Eckington Burial Ground, Derbyshire. [ Oxford I - PG986 - 15 AFU ].
LEWIS, Ronald Keith Mortimer - Sgt - 1398953 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
MACLEAN, Malcolm Fraser - Sgt (Pilot) - 1567034 - RAFVR - Inverness (Tomnahurich) Cemetery, Inverness-shire. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
McLOUGHLIN, Thomas Samuel - Sgt - 1037338 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
MEADOWS, Leonard Tom - Sgt (A/G) - 412215 - RAFVR - Stafford Cemetery, Staffordshire. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
PARRETT, Eric Stuart - Sgt (WoP) - 1874893 - RAFVR - Saffron Walden, Essex. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
VINCENT, Thomas Richard William - Sgt - 1445017 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
WADE, Clifton - Sgt (A/G) - 1593397 - RAFVR - Heighington (St. Michael ) Churchyard, Durham. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
WOODS, Charles William - Sgt - 1398131 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
WRIGHT, John Selby - Sgt (Air Bomber) - 1581990 - RAFVR - Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Silverdale) Cemetery, Staffordshire. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].

Alex

[malcolm_raf]

Hi

EGYPT
COOPER, John Orbell - F/S - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, JA468 of No 77 OTU, which flew into the sea off the coast of Palestine during a Leigh Light exercise.
KENNEDY, John Roy - Sgt - see Cooper.
POULTON, Clement Stephen George - Sgt - see Cooper.
VINCENT, Kenneth Joseph - Sgt - see Cooper.
WEBSTER, Harry Stewart - Sgt - see Cooper.

ISRAEL
CLOWES, George Arthur - W/O (A/G) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
GRUBB, Charles Greig - F/S (Pilot) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
HADDOW, John Allan - Sgt - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
JONES, John - W/O (A/G) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
LANE, Donald Owen - F/S (Nav) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
WOODGATE, John Alan - F/S (Flt/Engr) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].

UK
GROSERT, Eileen Margaret - ACW1 - registered in Gateshead.
ARMSTRONG, Peter Ronald - F/O (WoP) - probably killed whilst flying in Wellington X, NC954 of No 105 (T) OTU, which crashed near Wootten in Lincolnshire after hitting a pole following an engine fire.
CHEESMAN, William - Sgt - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, LP761 of No 105 (T) OTU, which failed to return from a navigation exercise near Bardsey Island.
GOLDING, Horace Edward - F/S (Flt/Engr) - registered in Pwllheli.
McKENNA, James Neil - F/S (Pilot) - registered in Ploughley.
McNEILLY, Charles - AC2 - not/Eng/Wales?.
STEVENS, Henry Minton - W/O - probably killed whilst flying in Wellington X, LP761 of No 105 (T) OTU, which failed to return from a navigation exercise near Bardsey Island.
THORN, Robert Cuthbert - F/L - probably killed whilst flying in Wellington X, LP761 of No 105 (T) OTU, which failed to return from a navigation exercise near Bardsey Island.
TREMAIN, John Henry - LAC - registered in Hendon.
BARKELL, John Donald Stewart - F/O (Flg/Instr ) - Oxford I - LW903 - 18 AFU ].
BIFFEN, Harold - W/O (WoP-A/G) -Anson I - EF935 - 10 AFU ].
LEWIS, Francis - Sgt (Wop) - Oxford I - PG986 - 15 AFU ].
LEWIS, Ronald Keith Mortimer - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
MACLEAN, Malcolm Fraser - Sgt (Pilot) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
McLOUGHLIN, Thomas Samuel - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
MEADOWS, Leonard Tom - Sgt (A/G) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
PARRETT, Eric Stuart - Sgt (WoP) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
VINCENT, Thomas Richard William - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
WADE, Clifton - Sgt (A/G) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
WOODS, Charles William - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
WRIGHT, John Selby - Sgt (Air Bomber) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].

Malcolm

[wwrsimon]

McNEILLY, Charles - the Statutory Deaths notice on Scotland's People states that he died of Pulmonary Tuberculosis at Mearnskirk Hospital, Newton Mearns. His profession is listed as "Radio Mechanic."

Regards

Simon

[waberalan]

Hi
I,m new to this forum - hence my late involvement this thread
Malcolm has identified "[COLOR=#333333]COOPER, John Orbell - F/S - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, JA468 of No 77 OTU, which flew into the sea off the coast of Palestine during a Leigh Light exercise."[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333] J O Cooper is on on the memorial of pupils who died in WW2 at my old school (the Liverpool Institute). I have chased down details of his birth and his parents and they fit with John [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Orbell Cooper on the Alamein memorial. Are there any more details available, and is the source of Malcolm's information readily accessible?

WABERALAN[/COLOR]

[waberalan]

Hi MALCOLM
I'm new to this forum - hence my late involvement this thread
You have identified " John Orbell - F/S - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, JA468 of No 77 OTU, which flew into the sea off the coast of Palestine during a Leigh Light exercise."
J O Cooper is on on the memorial of pupils who died in WW2 at my old school (the Liverpool Institute). I have chased down details of his birth and his parents and they fit with John Orbell Cooper on the Alamein memorial. Are there any more details available, and is the source of your information re the accident readily accessible?

Alan

[malcolm_raf]

Hi Alan

My statement is purely based on the fact that he was lost at the same time as four others and this aircraft fits the bill, but I still need confirmation that he was in this incident.

Malcolm

[waberalan]

Hi Malcolm
Thanks for that. I tried to find details of the loss of Wellington X JA468 and the death Of J O Cooper on the i/net, but could find nothing. It's good to see that you have at least got a hint on it.

Alan

[waberalan]

[QUOTE=waberalan;110537]Hi Malcolm
Thanks for that. I tried to find details of the loss of Wellington X JA468 and the death Of J O Cooper on the i/net, but could find nothing. It's good to see that you have at least got a hint on it.

Alan[Hi again Malcolm. I've found out some more info that may be connected with missing airman John Orwell Cooper: 6 of the airmen on the Alamein memorial were RAAF personnel who also died on 8/01/45. They died when Wellington MP792 from 78 OTU at Ein Shemar (Palestine) disappeared at approximately 18.35 hrs while on a non-operational training exercise over the sea offshore of Jaffa. A little later information was received that an aircraft had crashed in the sea. A launch was despatched to carry out a search, and although some aircraft wreckage similar to the missing aircraft type was located, it could not be established if it came from the missing aircraft. I think 78 OTU trained Crew for Leigh lights. Perhaps JA468 (of 77 OTU at Qastina?) collided with Mp792? ]

[malcolm_raf]

Hi Alan

MP792 had an all RAAF crew and the aircraft records don't make a reference a collision as far as I'm aware but it may be that the actual circumstances of these two losses is unknown.

Malcolm

[peterowan]

Hi. I'm new to this so apologies for any mistakes.

I'm trying to find more details of WellingtonX, LP761 of No 105 (T) OTU
as I'm researching a particular death 'off Bardsey Island' with first name David.
I can't find any other reference than on this page - is it likely/possible there were other crew than the 3 listed?

Many thanks for any help