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    Default 450108 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 08-01-1945

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    450108 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 08-01-1945

    From Henk's List -

    Princess Mary's RAF Nursing Service
    GOMER, Pauline Mary - Sister - 6285 - PMRAFNS - East Retford Cemetery, Nottinghamshire.

    WAAF
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    GROSERT, Eileen Margaret - ACW1c - 479451 - WAAF - Newcastle-Upon-Tyne (West Road) Crematorium, Northumberland.

    UK
    ARMSTRONG, Peter Ronald - F/O (WoP) - 179030 -RAFVR - Pinner Cemetery, Middlesex.
    CHEESMAN, William - Sgt - 1584815 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
    GOLDING, Horace Edward - F/S (Flt/Engr) - 1587410 - RAFVR - Bristol (Greenbank ) Cemetery, Gloucestershire.
    McKENNA, James Neil - F/S (Pilot) - 1672426 - RAFVR - Glasgow (Riddrie Park ) Cemetery, Glasgow.
    McNEILLY, Charles - AC2c - 1552222 - RAFVR - Glasgow (St. Peters ) Roman Catholic Cemetery, Glasgow.
    STEVENS, Henry Minton - W/O - 755930 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
    THORN, Robert Cuthbert - F/L - 70675 - RAF - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
    TREMAIN, John Henry - LAC - 1518800 - RAFVR - Mill Hill Cemetery, Middlesex.

    From CWGC & Geoff's sites -

    EGYPT
    COOPER, John Orbell - F/S - 1458095 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
    KENNEDY, John Roy - Sgt - 1571554 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
    POULTON, Clement Stephen George - Sgt - 2222235 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
    VINCENT, Kenneth Joseph - Sgt - 1867361 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
    WEBSTER, Harry Stewart - Sgt - 1523617 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.

    ISRAEL
    CLOWES, George Arthur - W/O (A/G) - 1314053 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    GRUBB, Charles Greig - F/S (Pilot) - 1057860 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    HADDOW, John Allan - Sgt - 1341177 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    JONES, John - W/O (A/G) - 1401008 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    LANE, Donald Owen - F/S (Nav) - 1320607 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    WOODGATE, John Alan - F/S (Flt/Engr) - 1629272 - RAFVR - Khayat Beach War Cemetery, Israel & Palestine. [ Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].

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    BARKELL, John Donald Stewart - F/O (Flg/Instr ) - 150443 - RAF - Oxford (Botley) Cemetery, Oxfordshire. [ Oxford I - LW903 - 18 AFU ].
    BIFFEN, Harold - W/O (WoP-A/G) - 1336043 - RAFVR - Chester (Blaconden Cemetery, ) Cemetery, Cheshire. [ Anson I - EF935 - 10 AFU ].
    LEWIS, Francis - Sgt (Wop) - 1898112 - RAFVR - Eckington Burial Ground, Derbyshire. [ Oxford I - PG986 - 15 AFU ].
    LEWIS, Ronald Keith Mortimer - Sgt - 1398953 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    MACLEAN, Malcolm Fraser - Sgt (Pilot) - 1567034 - RAFVR - Inverness (Tomnahurich) Cemetery, Inverness-shire. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    McLOUGHLIN, Thomas Samuel - Sgt - 1037338 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    MEADOWS, Leonard Tom - Sgt (A/G) - 412215 - RAFVR - Stafford Cemetery, Staffordshire. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    PARRETT, Eric Stuart - Sgt (WoP) - 1874893 - RAFVR - Saffron Walden, Essex. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    VINCENT, Thomas Richard William - Sgt - 1445017 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    WADE, Clifton - Sgt (A/G) - 1593397 - RAFVR - Heighington (St. Michael ) Churchyard, Durham. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    WOODS, Charles William - Sgt - 1398131 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. [ Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    WRIGHT, John Selby - Sgt (Air Bomber) - 1581990 - RAFVR - Newcastle-Under-Lyme (Silverdale) Cemetery, Staffordshire. [ Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].

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    Hi

    EGYPT
    COOPER, John Orbell - F/S - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, JA468 of No 77 OTU, which flew into the sea off the coast of Palestine during a Leigh Light exercise.
    KENNEDY, John Roy - Sgt - see Cooper.
    POULTON, Clement Stephen George - Sgt - see Cooper.
    VINCENT, Kenneth Joseph - Sgt - see Cooper.
    WEBSTER, Harry Stewart - Sgt - see Cooper.

    ISRAEL
    CLOWES, George Arthur - W/O (A/G) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    GRUBB, Charles Greig - F/S (Pilot) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    HADDOW, John Allan - Sgt - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    JONES, John - W/O (A/G) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    LANE, Donald Owen - F/S (Nav) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].
    WOODGATE, John Alan - F/S (Flt/Engr) - Liberator B. VI - EW101 - 1675 CU ].

    UK
    GROSERT, Eileen Margaret - ACW1 - registered in Gateshead.
    ARMSTRONG, Peter Ronald - F/O (WoP) - probably killed whilst flying in Wellington X, NC954 of No 105 (T) OTU, which crashed near Wootten in Lincolnshire after hitting a pole following an engine fire.
    CHEESMAN, William - Sgt - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, LP761 of No 105 (T) OTU, which failed to return from a navigation exercise near Bardsey Island.
    GOLDING, Horace Edward - F/S (Flt/Engr) - registered in Pwllheli.
    McKENNA, James Neil - F/S (Pilot) - registered in Ploughley.
    McNEILLY, Charles - AC2 - not/Eng/Wales?.
    STEVENS, Henry Minton - W/O - probably killed whilst flying in Wellington X, LP761 of No 105 (T) OTU, which failed to return from a navigation exercise near Bardsey Island.
    THORN, Robert Cuthbert - F/L - probably killed whilst flying in Wellington X, LP761 of No 105 (T) OTU, which failed to return from a navigation exercise near Bardsey Island.
    TREMAIN, John Henry - LAC - registered in Hendon.
    BARKELL, John Donald Stewart - F/O (Flg/Instr ) - Oxford I - LW903 - 18 AFU ].
    BIFFEN, Harold - W/O (WoP-A/G) -Anson I - EF935 - 10 AFU ].
    LEWIS, Francis - Sgt (Wop) - Oxford I - PG986 - 15 AFU ].
    LEWIS, Ronald Keith Mortimer - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    MACLEAN, Malcolm Fraser - Sgt (Pilot) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    McLOUGHLIN, Thomas Samuel - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    MEADOWS, Leonard Tom - Sgt (A/G) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    PARRETT, Eric Stuart - Sgt (WoP) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    VINCENT, Thomas Richard William - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    WADE, Clifton - Sgt (A/G) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].
    WOODS, Charles William - Sgt - Wellington X - HE853 - 30 OTU ].
    WRIGHT, John Selby - Sgt (Air Bomber) - Wellington X LN166 - 30 OTU ].

    Malcolm
    Last edited by malcolm_raf; 11th November 2014 at 14:18. Reason: Wrong possibility for Armstrong and Cheesman

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    McNEILLY, Charles - the Statutory Deaths notice on Scotland's People states that he died of Pulmonary Tuberculosis at Mearnskirk Hospital, Newton Mearns. His profession is listed as "Radio Mechanic."

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    Default Unaccounted Airmen 08/01/1945 John Orbell Cooper

    Hi MALCOLM
    I'm new to this forum - hence my late involvement this thread
    You have identified " John Orbell - F/S - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, JA468 of No 77 OTU, which flew into the sea off the coast of Palestine during a Leigh Light exercise."
    J O Cooper is on on the memorial of pupils who died in WW2 at my old school (the Liverpool Institute). I have chased down details of his birth and his parents and they fit with John Orbell Cooper on the Alamein memorial. Are there any more details available, and is the source of your information re the accident readily accessible?

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    Hi

    The only problem with Hobson's entry on Armstrong is that his death was registered in Scunthorpe which fits more with being killed in Wellington X, NC954 of No 105 (T) OTU, which crashed near Wootten in Lincolnshire after hitting a pole following an engine fire. He is buried in Harrow (Pinner) New Cemetery.

    The crew of LP761 are all commemorated on Runnymede.

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    Hello Malcolm. What's your thinking / sources for putting Cheesman, Stevens and Thorn in LP761 - is it the coincidental date of aircraft loss with date of death + the Runnymede listing meaning they were lost? Do you think there could have been others on board?

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    Hi
    I,m new to this forum - hence my late involvement this thread
    Malcolm has identified "[COLOR=#333333]COOPER, John Orbell - F/S - possibly killed whilst flying in Wellington X, JA468 of No 77 OTU, which flew into the sea off the coast of Palestine during a Leigh Light exercise."[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#333333] J O Cooper is on on the memorial of pupils who died in WW2 at my old school (the Liverpool Institute). I have chased down details of his birth and his parents and they fit with John [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Orbell Cooper on the Alamein memorial. Are there any more details available, and is the source of Malcolm's information readily accessible?

    WABERALAN[/COLOR]

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    Hi

    The GRO lists Cheesman, Stevens and Thorn as being members of No 105 OCU and being on the Runnymede fits with a loss at sea.

    Co-incidentally the unit lost a second aircraft the same day, NC954, which crashed near Scunthorpe, hence my comment that Armstrong was in that aircraft, not LP761.

    105 OCU trained transport crews so a crew of three is likely, pilot, navigator and WOp, there would be no need for an Air Bomber or Air Gunners.

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    Malcolm, many thanks for that crewing information. I concur about the Runnymede reasoning. Is that GRO info from the actual death certificates?
    Peter

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    Hi Alan

    My statement is purely based on the fact that he was lost at the same time as four others and this aircraft fits the bill, but I still need confirmation that he was in this incident.

    Malcolm

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