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    Default Crash by Wellington “U” of 75 Sqn on the night 29/30 Aug 1941

    Hi,

    To research the operations by 75 Squadron during 1941 has its challenges.

    According to the official history (New Zealanders with the Royal Air Force) a Wellington crew were involved in a combat with a night fighter and crashed when it returned to base:
    “There were a number of incidents during these raids. On the night of 3 August one of the Wellingtons bound for Hanover was intercepted by an enemy fighter about twenty miles west of Lingen in Holland. The bomber was badly damaged but the pilot brought it back and made a safe landing at Newmarket. Another Wellington was flying towards Hamburg on the night of 8 August when it was engaged by an unidentified fighter. To make good his escape, the pilot jettisoned his bombs over the Westerhaven area. A third crew, among those detailed to attack Mannheim on the 29th, had an encounter with a Messerschmitt 110 which was claimed as destroyed. Their Wellington, however, suffered considerable damage and, on landing back at base, it overshot the runway and crashed. The crew escaped injury. During this same raid another crew flew a large part of the return journey with their port engine on fire.”

    The 75 Sqn ORB have the following note regarding combats on the night 29/30th August 1941 when Mannheim was attacked: “No enemy aircraft seen”. No crash is mentioned. Even more surprising is that according to the ORB 9 Wellingtons were detailed to carry out the bombing attacks BUT the R.A.F. Feltwell Watch Office Log (thank you Wayne -http://75nzsquadronremembered.wordpress.com/) has the total number of Wellingtons as 12. It also has the following note:
    “00:40 hours - A/C "U" 75 Sqdn overshot on landing and crashed. Crew not injured.“

    Wellington “U” seems to match the Wellington mentioned in the official history. Is it possibly to identify the aircraft identity and more important the crew via a crash report?

    I have tried to identify “U” with the help of Wayne but so far without success.

    Regards,
    Peter

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    Hi Peter,

    F1180 give this as R1466 M(c) Sgt R K R Talbot 927586.

    The comments include that the aircraft had a full bomb load onboard but nothing on the events prior to the overshoot.

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    Hi Ross,

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    This was one of the three aircraft missing in the ORB as neither Sgt Talbot nor the aircraft are mentioned.

    Are there information about the other crew members in the document? I checked the first 6 sorties (excluding this night) Talbot flew as captain and the crew changes every sortie. Only the Navigator Sgt Mason flew all of them and WOP/AG Sgt R G Butt, RAF flew 5 of them (3 as FG and 2 as WOP).

    Regards,
    Peter

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    As usual the F1180 is very brief.

    Only person named is captain with his total hours - 60 (18 night) Solo on Type, 53 (1 night) Solo on other types.

    Accident confirmed at 00.40 hrs at Feltwell on Operations.

    No resulting fire or injuries.

    Overshot - ran across field - struck bank - u/c collapsed -approached too fast - little round out full bombload - accidents of this sort which are all too frequent would rarely occur if runways of adequate length were provided (Stn Cdr)

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    Thanks Ross,
    The information in F1180 was very valuable considering the missing information in the ORB.

    Regards,
    Peter

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    I would also like to thank Ross for his help regarding Wellington R1466.
    Also Peter for posting the question here where we had a quick reply.
    Thanks again.

    Wayne.

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