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    AIR 81/762 1940 Jan 01 1940 Dec 31
    Aircraftman 1st Class J C Ryan and
    Aircraftman 1st Class P G E Sword:
    report of deaths; enemy action whilst on board HMS Bideford, 31 May 1940

    Martyn






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    Henk Welting (Guest) (3300 posts)

    01-Nov-07, 03:23 PM (GMT)

    "'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

    What caused the death of the following airmen:

    P/O John E.M. COLLINS - 41830 - 22 Sqn (Beaufort - North Coates/Lincolnshire), commemorated on Panel 7 of the Runnymede Memorial.

    Can't find a matching Beaufort serial number.


    P/O (Pilot) Thomas E.S. CROSSMAN - 72073 - missing believed killed on active service (Flight Global), buried Bockhurst (St.John The Baptist) Churchyard, Chigwell, Essex (UK3455).


    Sgt (Pilot) Robert H. JACK - 754095 - whose name I can't find in The Times and Flight Global archives, buried Cathcart Cem., Dunbartonshire (UK7798).


    AC1 James C. RYAN - 637135 - killed on active service, buried Kilgobbin Old Church Cem., Dublin (IRL108).


    AC1 William H. SMYTHE - 634466 - whose name I can't find in The Times and Flight Global archives, buried Crompton Cem., Lancashire (UK554).


    AC1 Patrick G.E. SWORD - 637552 - killed on active service (Flight Global), buried Folkestone New Cem., Hawkinge, Kent (UK3947).


    Suggested aircraft write-offs for this day:


    Blenheim I - L1296 - 2 SAC - crashed on take-off Andover.

    Harvard I - N7003 - 14 FTS - crashed in forced landing East End, Bedfordshire (two East Ends in Bedfordshire, one near Kempston, the other near Wilden).

    Harvard I - P5813 - 14 FTS - crashed in forced landing North Crawley, Buckinghamshire.

    Hurricane I - N2709 - 245 Sqn - crashed in forced landing near Southend.

    Master I - N7556 - 8 FTS - broke up (in air) 3 miles N of Banchory, Aberdeenshire (already as a casualty: Sgt (Pilot u/t) William T. PIGOTT - 754458, buried Fullham New Cem., Richmond, Surrey ).

    Master I - N7630 - 8 FTS - broke up (in air) 3 miles N of Banchory, Aberdeenshire.

    Tiger Moth - K4244 - 18 EFTS - crashed on landing, Fairoaks.

    Tiger Moth II - N6590 - 9 EFTS - dived into ground Moleswood Farm, near Anstey (suggest location is Mobbs Wood Farm, Anstey - 140/425826).


    Regards and thanks for your help.

    Henk.



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    RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... DaveW 01-Nov-07 1

    RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... Henk Welting (Guest) 01-Nov-07 2

    RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... Finn Buch (Guest) 01-Nov-07 3

    RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... Henk Welting (Guest) 02-Nov-07 4

    RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... dg (Guest) 02-Nov-07 5





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    DaveW (714 posts)

    01-Nov-07, 05:22 PM (GMT)

    1. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

    Henk

    Date should be 31st?


    Crossman at Rugby TM N6590 at Anstey?


    Jack died of injuries at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, possibley associated with the crash of Master N6730 north of Banchory.


    Smythe at Saffron Walden no suggestion


    Sword is not listed in England Wales or Scotland so possibly in Ireland.


    Collins is not listed in Ross's Coastal losses


    Pigot and N7556 came to grief at Laurencekirk in Kincardineshire


    Regards


    DaveW



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    Henk Welting (Guest) (3300 posts)

    01-Nov-07, 05:57 PM (GMT)

    2. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

    Oooops.......big mistake !

    Of course date was 31th May 1940.

    Thanks Dave for your info.


    Regards,

    Henk.



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    Finn Buch (Guest) (273 posts)

    01-Nov-07, 09:49 PM (GMT)

    3. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

    Hello Henk,

    A missing digit - 229 Sqn. So it must be a Hurricane. I have no serial number.



    P/O John E.M. COLLINS - 41830 - 22 Sqn (Beaufort - North Coates/Lincolnshire), commemorated on Panel 7 of the Runnymede Memorial.

    Can't find a matching Beaufort serial number.


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    AC1 James C. RYAN - 637135 - killed on active service, buried Kilgobbin Old Church Cem., Dublin (IRL108).


    51 Wing*


    AC1 Patrick G.E. SWORD - 637552 - killed on active service (Flight Global), buried Folkestone New Cem., Hawkinge, Kent (UK3947).


    51 Wing*


    *Could be a connection?



    Best regards


    Finn Buch




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    Henk Welting (Guest) (3300 posts)

    02-Nov-07, 02:51 PM (GMT)

    4. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

    Thanks Finn for additional info. Especially for P/O J.E.M. COLLINS - 229 Sqn in lieu of 22 Sqn.

    229 Sqn lost 31-5-1940 Hurricane I serial L1982.

    Regards,

    Henk.



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    dg (Guest) (99 posts)

    02-Nov-07, 07:17 PM (GMT)

    5. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

    Henk,

    From AB Serials P1000-R9999


    229s Hurricane P3553 also lost off Dunkerque on this date. Have note that P/O VBS Verity was aboard. Are you able to confirm this?


    dg
    Last edited by Martyn A Critchlow; 4th February 2015 at 22:11.

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