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    Can anyone help ID this Wellington - believed to be 205 Group Foggia '44/'45

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/21234417@N06/16670879175/

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    pzulba,
    To me this appears to be one of the Hercules-powered versions (III or X) fitted with dust filters, although the fitting of a metal prop (the bent blades are pretty obvious) makes me think it may be fitted with Curtiss electrics built by Rotol, which also raises possibility it might be actually fitted with P&W Twin Wasps. The roundel style suggests from sometime in late 1942 owards, and I will leave it to others to suggect the actual squadron. As for a serial? Not me!
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    pzulba.

    The Wellington is a MkX, as identified by the long carburettor intake over the engine, as opposed to the shorter unit on the MkIII. Most MkXs were fitted with wooden Rotol propellors, but not all. Since 205 Group Wellingtons did not carry squadron codes, just an individual aircraft letter, aircraft being moved around from squadron to squadron, as required, after servicing at centralised Group facilities, I am afraid it is impossible to say which squadron the aircraft was serving with. And even if it is near Foggia, this does not help, since there was a complex of bases on the Foggia plain, and the aircraft could be flying from any one of them.

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    Hello,
    Squadron Code followed by Roundel followed by a/c in squadron letter, "?A o I ". So which squadron in the region has second code letter "A" ?
    Would narrow down which squadron the a/c in the picture is. Also is the upright part in the rear of the photo part of the same a/c or a second tail section, which would suggest an a/c dump ?
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    Hello,
    Doubt about Wellington Squadron.
    Quick check on Wiki of RAF squadron codes for the following squadrons -
    37 - FJ - LF.
    38 - HD - NH - RL.
    40 - BL - LE - OX - WR(SAAF).
    70 - DU.
    104 - PO - EP.
    108 - LD - MF.
    142 - QT - 4H - KB.
    148 - AU - BS - FS.
    150 - DG - IQ - JN.
    420 - PT.
    424 - QB - QL.
    425 - KW.

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    Since the wreck seems to have a squadron code as well as an individual letter, I seriously doubt it was photographed at Foggia, since by then 205 Group aircraft did not carry squadron codes. It could be a Wellington in Algeria or Tunisia, perhaps one flown out from the UK, still carrying Bomber Command squadron codes, when first 142 and 150 Sqns, and then 420, 424 and 425 went out to back the inavsion of North Africa.

    Regarding the propellor, I find that some Mk Xs were fitted with De Havilland hydromatic props.

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    Hello,

    From the photo link there is a picture of Liberator "Jiminy Cricket" of 34 SAAF|.
    Can anyone supply the crew names please ?
    Many years ago a local man said to me that he had flown such a named SAAF Lib. He described the artwork so that I could make a model of the aircraft for him which I did.

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    Hello,

    Villach, a keypoint on the line into Austria, was attacked twice within four days, and 50 heavies were very successful on the night of 25/26 March (1945), when the goods and transhipment depots were almost totally destroyed. Unfortunately, the Flak was accurate. In 34 Sqn, another Liberator was lost.

    Liberator VI EW204 'J'

    Crew:

    Capt. L J de Jager SAAF +
    Lt R L Chegwyn SAAF +
    2/Lt P M Tylden-Wright SAAF +
    2/Lt I J Doble SAAF +
    F/O K Warrington RAF +
    WOII J N Geldenhuys SAAF +
    WOII J Robbertse SAAF +
    WOII W A J Venter SAAF +
    Sgt A C Phillips RAF +

    See:
    Eagles Victorious: The Operations of the South African Forces over the Mediterranean and Europe, in Italy, the Balkans and the Aegean, and from Gibraltar to West Africa. Vol.6.
    Martin,H J & Neil D Orpen.
    Cape Town:Purnell,1978(2nd.imp.)
    p.396

    and...

    85 Years of the South African Air Force./Brent. pp.213,218 & 424.

    Col.
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    Gentlemen

    Thanks for your efforts

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzulba View Post
    Can anyone help ID this Wellington - believed to be 205 Group Foggia '44/'45
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/21234417@N06/16670879175/
    )
    This one is coded 7-A, photo is flipped, so this is probably MACAF (Coastal Command) Wellington.

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