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    Default Miles Magister Crash September 7th 1941

    Gents,

    Looking for details please on the above crash, Magister N3975 of No.5 E & RFTS flown by Sgt Kenneth Helliker. His log book indicates that he crashed on return from a navigational flight from Shawbury.

    Any details welcome.

    Steve
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    Steve,

    I cannot find a record of this crash and as I only record write offs, could it be that the aircraft was not damaged beyond repair.

    The Air Britain register suggests the aircraft went on to ECFS but there is no final fate recorded.

    However, an accident involving damage would still generate a Form 1180 and so perhaps a look at the records in the RAF Museum might help.

    Colin Cummings

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    Hi Colin,

    Thanks for the reply.

    I think it must have been a rather serious prang as another document I have suggests he was only cleared as fit for flying in November 1941.

    On my next Hendon trip I will pull the Am Form 1180.

    Thanks again.

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    Air Britain Miles Book has the following (no accident listed on September 7th 1941)

    C/M 1008 M.14A N3975 Dd 6 MU Brize Norton 20.2.39. To 26 E&RFTS Kidlington 23.5.39. To 5 EFTS Hanworth 15.10.39.
    Converted to light bomber by P&P. To 5 EFTS Meir 20.6.40, Flying accident (Cat B) 4.11.41; to P&P. 10.11.41, To 20 MU
    Aston Down 23.3.42. to ECFS Hullavington 6.8.42. To 46 MU Lossiemouth 13.8.42. No fate recorded.

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    Paul,

    Thanks for the additional information, I have rechecked the log book and the details are correct to the entry on September 7th. Very strange.

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    Sorry I've not answered this sooner, I've been up to Shetland for a week. Magister N3975 definitely did have an accident that day, according to the ORB, September 7th 1941, “B Flight, Sgt Hellinker crashed at Sandbach in No N3975, pupil uninjured.” There is also and 1180, which records that the aircraft ran into a hedge at Brereton, Sandbach, which Brereton is debatable as you can pick from either Green or Heath both of which are NE of Sandbach. It records he was flying a cross country but not where he had been.
    Alan Clark

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    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Hi Alan,

    Thank you for this, it adds to my work on Helliker.

    Incidentally, would you like a copy of the page from the log book and a photo of Helliker taken at the time?

    Kind regards

    Steve
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