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    Default 609 Sqn 'Defection' 1939 Fighter Boys Book by Patrick Bishop

    In the Fighter Boys Book by Patrick Bishop there is a reference to a 609 Sqn Pilot 'Defection' just before WW2

    This is referred to below


    http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...y-pre-war.html


    Does anyone have any idea if this is true or not. Certainly every officer in the last pre-war AFL appears to have served in WW2

    However, one resigned his commission in late 1938

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    Hello,

    Depends on what is meant by "defection".

    Here is the offending piece:

    Acceptance, resignation, a certain thrilled apprehension seem to have been predominant attitudes and emotions as the last days of peace slipped away. Not everyone answered the call of duty. In 609 Squadron one pilot decided to defect. He was, Stephen Beaumont recalled, 'not a particularly attractive man... We felt no loss at his going.' The squadron structure and the overwhelming importance of 'esprit' meant that only the dedicated were welcome.

    Fighter Boys: Saving Britain 1940.
    Bishop,Patrick,
    London:Harper Perennial,2004 (p/b.)
    p.99

    Col.

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    Most 609 Pilots had Service Numbers in Range 90317 to 90334

    90317 was Henry Pelham-Clinton-Hope, 9th Duke of Newcastle 'Earl of Lincoln'
    90334 was John Charles Dundas

    I can't find 90324 nor 90328

    Robert Leslie Beaumont (died August 1938) but was on Sqn from 23 July 1938 so I would expect to have number after Dundas possibly 90335

    At least two members left before 1939 including William 'Bill' Humble MBE but according to London Gazette he was 70779 and who if you go with the ordering theory should be 90324 as he joined up at same time as Philip Henry 'Pip' Barran 90323

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    Hello,

    Here are a few more:

    90316 Harald PEAKE (1st CO)
    90319 Stephen Gerald BEAUMONT
    90325 Alexander Rothwell EDGE
    90326 Bernard Williamson LITTLE
    90327 John Charles GILBERT
    90332 George Edward MOBERLEY
    90478 David Moore CROOK

    And the odd-man-out:

    24213 Norman Cyril ODBERT (Adjutant)

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    I contacted Patrick Bishop and though the source material has been returned to Stephen Beaumont's family (it appears he was quoting from his unpublished memoir). He did not pursue the matter further but he believes it concerns someone who resigned from the Sqn.

    I do not believe it was Humble , rather another individual who resigned in 1938 soon after he got married. The name can be found in The story of 609 Squadron: under the White Rose by Frank Ziegler and I believe based on his join date, that his service number was 90324


    By the way other Reserve Members of Sqn were

    90318 was Peter Richard Nickols
    90320 was Laurence Henry Sagar
    90321 was Peter Drummond-Hay
    90322 was Dudley Persse-Joynt
    90329 was the Medical Officer Thomas McMaster Boyle, M.B., Ch.B.,L.B.O.8., L.R.O.P
    90330 was George Desmond Ayre
    90331 was Joseph Dawson
    90533 was Eric George Titheradge *UPDATED Thanks to Col **
    90335 may have been Robert Leslie Beaumont
    90484 was Gordon Thomas Manners Mitchell
    Accountant Arthur Gordon Sudworth was 90487


    There were permanent members of Sqn as well


    Flight Lieutenant George William Golledge 34004
    Flight Lieutenant A Matheson
    Flight Lieutenant Norman Cyril Odbert (as already defined by Col)
    Pilot Officer Geoffrey Thomas Dodgshun 40466
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    Paul,

    l came to the same conclusion, but proving it was another matter.

    Bye-the-bye - Eric George Titheradge's service number was - 90533, not 90332, that belonged to George Edward Moberley.

    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/7188

    29258 Alexander William Stewart MATHESON, was an Australian in the RAF (apparently, he was a bit brusque!).

    Might be worthwhile to have a chat with Chris Goss over at TOCH. Chris was/is the official historian of 609 Squadron.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 17th June 2015 at 14:42.

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    Col


    Thanks for that I will ping Chris Goss a message

    I know we will never know 100% but I think we are very much thinking alike

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