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    Default 5-6 November 1944 205 Group losses

    Dear all,

    On 5-6 November 1944, two supply-dropping aircraft, from a force of 89 aircraft of 205 Group that headed for Yugoslavia, were lost. Who can give me info on the identities of these two a/c (serial nrs, locations & time of loss).

    Cheers & thanks, Theo

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    Liberator KH100 - V of 178 sqn was lost supply dropping that night over Yugoslavia.
    KH243 also of 178 was lost over "Northern Italy" on 6th.

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    For KH100 I've as crash location near Comigrad, former Yugoslavia.
    Source: 'They Shall Grow Not Old' (Allison) page 116 (biography F/O K.L. Chapman - J26001/R176273).

    Henk.

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    KH100 'V' was shot down by German night fighters and crashed near Gornigrad (note spelling).

    For KH243 'T' I have a similar fate, but no details as to the crash site, though it must have been Yugoslavia, since all are buried in Belgrade, like the crew of KH100.

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    Perhaps this info might help.

    05-NOV-44 KH243 Liberator 178 Sqn Missing on supply drop 7
    This aircraft was one of twelve from the squadron, which formed part of a large force of fifty six Wellingtons and thirty five Liberators led by a single pathfinder Halifax of 614 Sqn, sent to drop supplies to partisan forces in the ‘CUCKOLD’ and ‘TOFFEE’ areas of Yugoslavia. Whilst the weather was good and over thirty Liberators dropped nearly 400 containers on ‘CUCKOLD’, this aircraft and the one listed below were attacked by enemy fighters and destroyed. It is believed that two of the crew survived.
    Warrant Officer Derek George STEWART 31 RAAF Pilot
    Sergeant Stanley Richard DAVIE 20 Navigator
    Sergeant William Greig BOGIE Bomb Aimer
    Sergeant Ivor MATTHEWS 26 Flight Engineer
    Sergeant Francis William LOUCH 24 Air Gunner
    Sergeant Gerald Joseph O’KANE 20 Air Gunner

    06-NOV-44 KH100 Liberator 178 Sqn Gornigrad, Yugoslavia 8
    This aircraft was lost in similar circumstances to that listed above. The whole crew died in the attack or subsequent crash.
    Flying Officer Amos Edwin Butsford DENOVAN 21 RCAF Pilot
    Flying Officer Owen Jones COX RCAF Navigator
    Flying Officer Kenneth Louis CHAPMAN 24 RCAF Bomb Aimer
    Flight Sergeant John Ward NORMAN 24 Wireless Operator
    Sergeant Evan Kenneth CORCORAN Flight Engineer
    Flight Sergeant Willaim Francis BEARY 20 Air Gunner
    Sergeant Raymond Foot Oliver JAMES 19 Air Gunner
    Flight Sergeant John Humphrey PARRY 19 Air Gunner

    You will see slightly different detail but can't remember precisely where the data came from initially.

    Colin Cummings

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    Just realised that I missed one out which might be appropriate:

    06-NOV-44 EB188 Halifax V 148 Sqn 46 degrees 19 North/14 degrees 52 East 0
    The aircraft with a crew of seven was engaged in supply dropping to a DZ in Yugoslavia in the position shown above. All four engines cut simultaneously and a belly landing was carried out without injury to the crew. The aircraft was destroyed by the crew, who evaded capture and returned safely in due course. There is no evidence as to the cause of the complete engine failure, although there are many possibilities such as mishandling of the fuel system, significant airlocks in the system, an unnoticed major fuel leak, water in some tanks etc.


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    Many thanks for your quick and elaborate answers to my query chaps, much appreciated! Two of these a/c fell foul of Hptm. Krause, St.Kpt. of 6./NJG101, who claimed two Liberators destroyed to the south of Klagenfurt during a freelance night fighting sortie. In the 2nd edition of my book the Nachtjagd War Diaries, I will publish an interesting account from one of Krause's crew members on the events of 5-6 November 44.

    Cheers, Theo

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    As a proud owner of your book, Nacthjagd War Diaries, I'm dearth to buy a second edition. Perhaps we could a tiny preview?

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    Hi Theo,

    Suggest you take a look here:

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=1078909

    See: pp.13-14 of 54 particularly.

    Take a look here as well:

    http://www.awm.gov.au/catalogue/research_centre/pdf/rc09125z006_1.pdf

    See: p.219 of 320

    NB. Stewart's A705 at the NAA, is incorrectly filed under service number 408578.

    Col.
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    Colin, Theo,
    I think we should add to KH243 "T":
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) Stanley ATHORN - 2202890.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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