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    Default Anson 148 Sqn K5024 loss 18 Jan 1940

    All I can find about this one is that it is listed on a web site thus


    K5024 Avro Anson I 18/01/1940 148 Sq., RAF. Crashed on Yolland Marsh, Shipley Bridge, South Brent, 7 miles west of Totnes, Devon, while on night training flight in snowstorm. All 5 crew killed.


    Can anyone supply a crew listing?


    It is just that I have seen it reported in Air 14-47 on Enquiry to from Bomber Command to Group that they thought that some crew used parachutes. The Sqn replied not true and all Crew died but I was wondering if the bomber Command got confused with another incident at around the same time?

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    Bomber Command confused at the time (as is the web site in present day)

    F1180 shows no parachutes used - aircraft hit rising ground so too low to abandon and the correct serial is N5024. Crew details are shown in Chorley.

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    Ross

    Most helpful I will return to this when I can quote chapter and verse from Air 14-47 but I think the original Enquiry was wrong and confused with another incident in same area

    I looked for the K5024 in Chorley with no luck and should have guessed serial mis quoted

    Kind regards

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    No F1180 raised for any incident 17th/18th or 19th that involved use of parachute.

    So either operational incident or one where the F1180 has been subsequently lost (the lost card senario is an long shot as several F1183 are archived along with F1180s for all three days)

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    Ross

    The correct serial allows me to find this which provides some crew details

    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/01641.php

    I am away from source material now until after Easter but I will return to this

    I have at least one possibly two incidents from Jan and Feb 1940 which have exhausted all my avenues of research so far and I was hoping this one could be a clue

    I think the answer in at least one of them in that the pilot recovered the aircraft to and aerodrome after getting ten rest of the crew to abandon the aircraft

    Thanks again Paul

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    Got the daily F1180 files on the desktop for other purposes - could do with a diversion as going stale and coffee not working.

    Give me the dates for you missing incidents and I'll look for parachute recorded F1180s on that day.

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    Ross

    Firstly thanks for the offer, and sorry for not getting back sooner as I had to help with an incident Sunday/Monday all sorted now..


    Anyway K5024/N5024 Issue from Air 14-47


    Air Ministry
    Dept Z A Harrogate Yorks
    30th April 1940
    Emergency Parachute Jumps
    "I am directed to refer to A.M.O.A. 155/1940
    and to say valuable data has been collected
    since the introduction in July 1939 of the
    questionnaire at para 2 of the above AMO which
    will materially help towards the detailed
    analysis of reports
    covering a period of twelve months which is to be made.

    "The following reports of emergency parachute
    jumps known to have been made
    have not yet been received"

    8.8.39 38 Sqn Wellington L4235
    9.8.39 102 Sqn Whitley K8950
    18.1.40 148 Sqn Anson "K" 5024


    I think last incident is confusion of Anson N5019 of same Sqn on 11.1.40 in the same
    general vicinity of the crash of N5024 Dalwood, near Axminster, Devon.
    Pilot Captain (Flt/Lt Thomas William Piper resumed control)
    and other 4 crew bailed out

    And my mystery 1940 bailouts are as follows

    1)
    Probably between January 15th to Feb 5th 1940
    Sgt Herring and AC2 Drake (probably same incident)


    2) Probably between 5th Feb 1940 and 14th Feb 1940
    Pupil Pilot G Hobbs

    3) Probably between 22 Feb 1940 and 26 March 1940
    P/O Charles Francis Ambrose and P/O James Reginald Bryan "Jim" Meaker (Probably same incident)

    I can't be more specific as the List I have only gives years and I assume the names are in consecutive order (most are) so I am bracketing them via known "other" incidents

    So for example Ambrose and Meaker are between Ft/Lt Ian Richard "Wedge" Gleed on Feb 18th 1940 and P/O William Hubert Rigby "Nits" Whitty on March 26th 1940

    Many Thanks

    Paul







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    Sorry Paul but those date ranges are too wide for examination as a diversion.

    I tried the 5th Feb to 14th Feb as a tester and it took about two hours for that small range.

    Only one parachute incident recorded in accident cards between 5th and 14th Feb and that was on the 5th when both occupants of Shark K5651 abandoned 6 miles west of Coventry.

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    Ross

    Thanks anyway I really appreciate you looking for me for 2 hours... I accept these last ones are a bit of a needle in haystack especially as I can't bracket them further (that's why looking at any further clues whenever they show) . Anyway

    Shark K5651 Feburary 5, 1940 was Sgt Pilot Ronald John Willcox #590740. (Killed 14/06/1940 aged 24 with 12 Sqn ) and AC1 William Trevor Verrier #614012 crew abandoned in dense fog over Spithead! while towing at AA School Eastney; the aircraft flew on and ran out of fuel 6m W of Coventry

    Thanks again

    Paul

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    Paul

    I have posted a section of my list to you. It may help you find what you are looking for.

    DaveW

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