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    Hi,
    I'm trying to find more info on my uncle, Patrick Ian Chatteris. His service number is 1608854. I know he was an Air Gunner on Lancasters/Halifax and he was a warrant officer at RAF Gravely around 1946 (he joined RAF in 1941). Someone has searched 35sqn lists and he is not on there at Gravely. Is there a list of Bomber command aircrew available?
    I have looked on military record sites and can find nothing.
    Can anybody help or suggest where to look?
    Many thanks.

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    Russ, Hi - and welcome to the Forum,

    Births 28 Feb 1924
    Chatteris Patrick I Griffin Stroud 6a 578

    CHATTERIS PATRICK IAN b. 1924 d. Q4 1993 1993 England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Aylesbury Vale, Buckinghamshire, Engl

    1608854 Enlisted [Block 1425001-1649900 Apr-Oct 1941] (aged 17+ ???)

    Siblings
    Births Q3 1925
    Chatteris Brigit A Griffin Stroud 6a 590
    Births Q3 1926
    Chatteris Michael Griffin Stroud 6a 549
    Births Q1 1928
    Chatteris Susan B Griffin Stroud 6a 514
    Births Q2 1932
    Chatteris Dinah E Griffin Stroud 6a 519

    His RAF Service Record can be obtained from Disclosures at RAF Cranwell. It will cost 30, and may take a couple of months to appear!! Can't find anything in The Times Archive!

    HTH

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    Russ,

    Sound advice from Peter but please tell more about your uncle.

    What information do you already have regarding his service. Do you have a Discharge Book, his medals and other things like a Pathfinder badge. Do you have contact with other family who knew him or any photographs which narrow things down.

    Colin Cummings

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    Hi, I have all the personal stuff ie tree etc, thanks. The family are very disjointed and its difficult to get any info on his service career, photos etc. Because he is my uncle and I am not next of kin I can only get very basic info from Disclosures. (I got my RAF medical records that way). He died in 1993 so I will have to wait until 2018 to get his full service record.
    I have found some more info on him. I tracked down his brother in Australia and found that Patrick was an Air gunner on Lancasters. Lots of research later I found a combat report for 207sqn 26/27 Aug 44 attack on Konisberg AIR/50/232. It is very difficult to read but the mid upper gunner was P Chatteris. I assume this was from RAF Spilsby. More research and I can find only one other Chatteris during WW2 and he was a F/O Nav and was killed in action (Not a relation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ Milgate View Post
    Hi, I have all the personal stuff ie tree etc, thanks. The family are very disjointed and its difficult to get any info on his service career, photos etc. Because he is my uncle and I am not next of kin I can only get very basic info from Disclosures. (I got my RAF medical records that way). He died in 1993 so I will have to wait until 2018 to get his full service record.
    I have found some more info on him. I tracked down his brother in Australia and found that Patrick was an Air gunner on Lancasters. Lots of research later I found a combat report for 207sqn 26/27 Aug 44 attack on Konisberg AIR/50/232. It is very difficult to read but the mid upper gunner was P Chatteris. I assume this was from RAF Spilsby. More research and I can find only one other Chatteris during WW2 and he was a F/O Nav and was killed in action (Not a relation).
    Now found him in operational record books of 207sqn, July1944 as a SGT. Lancaster PB293, 8 raids in that month. Including crew members names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ Milgate View Post
    Now found him in operational record books of 207sqn, July1944 as a SGT. Lancaster PB293, 8 raids in that month. Including crew members names.
    After much searching he did 30 ops between July 44 and Oct 44.

    I've now found him on 115 Sqn in 1949 as a G11 Gunner on Lanc PA433. Does anyone know what the G11 is?

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    Gunner 11 is actually Gunner II ie Gunner Two!!

    In the aircrew trade structure from 1946, aircrew stopped being sergeants etc and became Aircrew Cadet, IV, III, II, I, and Master in each of the specialisms: pilot, navigator, signaller, gunner etc and wore a laurel wreath on the upper sleeve of the uniform and with stars in the middle and an eagle above in one case. The Master whatever, had a larger eagle across the wreath and this survives until now.

    The other ranks reverted to traditional NCOs in the 1951 trade structure.

    The topic has been covered elsewhere on this forum and in more detail, with more comprehensive descriptions.

    Colin Cummings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldduffer View Post
    Gunner 11 is actually Gunner II ie Gunner Two!!

    In the aircrew trade structure from 1946, aircrew stopped being sergeants etc and became Aircrew Cadet, IV, III, II, I, and Master in each of the specialisms: pilot, navigator, signaller, gunner etc and wore a laurel wreath on the upper sleeve of the uniform and with stars in the middle and an eagle above in one case. The Master whatever, had a larger eagle across the wreath and this survives until now.

    The other ranks reverted to traditional NCOs in the 1951 trade structure.

    The topic has been covered elsewhere on this forum and in more detail, with more comprehensive descriptions.

    Colin Cummings
    Thanks very much for that, very informative.

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    Considering the family do not know very much about Patrick its amazing what you can find on the internet. Since starting with a clue from his brother in Australia that he was an Air gunner on Lancasters. I've found operational logs on his 30 bombing missions with 207 sqn, even a photo of him and his crew in front of their plane in 1944. I've then found him again as a g2 gunner on a Lancaster on 115 sqn at Mildenhall in 1949. The book with his name and number in it 1608853 W/O P Chatteris was published in 1946 made me think he was there during the war but it now looks like he was at Graveley in the 1950's. Air gunners were disbanded in the early fifties so he must have remustered into another trade and served at RLG Graveley in the fifties doing another job? possibly at the AFS that were there at the time. Another snippet from his grandson today that he served until the early seventies which means he was in RAF when I was! Its all very interesting and keeps my retired mind working. The next step is to try and get his son to apply for his records which could be difficult because of family issues. I can apply for them but I would only get basic info until 2018 when he would have been dead 25 years, then I would get all his info. I shall keep looking because I'm quite enjoying it.

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    Hello,

    A certain F/Sgt P. I. Chatteris, had a letter published in the Air Pictorial and Reserve Gazette, Vol.13 p.74. 1951. The subject of the letter was a discussion on the Canberra and its derivatives. He signed himself off, as follows:

    Yours faithfully, P. I. Chatteris. (F.Sgt.). Aircraft Recognition Section, Central Gunnery School, Royal Air Force.

    Col.

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