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    Default 120616 F/O Walter Talbot D.F.C. - award details?

    Hello everyone

    Flying Officer Walter Talbot was awarded the D.F.C. in January 1944. The award was gazetted in the Supplement to the London Gazette, January 18th, but the entry does not give any details of his unit, or the reason for the award. Can anyone help with any details?

    He was killed in Lancaster NX635 of 12 M.U. on October 22nd 1945.

    Many thanks,

    Simon

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    Hello,

    Talbot's unit was No.1409 (Met) Flight RAF.

    Col.
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    Thanks for that Col, much appreciated.

    Regards

    Simon

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    Simon,

    Walter Talbot b.1911 d. 22 Oct 1945 St Athan in Lancaster NX635.

    ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE.
    GENERAL DUTIES BRANCH
    To be Plt. Offs. on prob. (emergency): —
    Sgts.
    7th Jan. 1942.
    1255900 [Various Centres Apr/May 1940] Sgt Walter TALBOT (120616) – aged 31

    Fg Off 1 Oct 1942

    Flt Lt 7 Jan 1944

    DFC Jan 1944

    He was not, basically, a meteorologist. He was aircrew on a Met Flight. He is confirmed as being on 1409 (Met) Flight as his photo appears on p.134 of (my edition) “Even The Birds Were Walking” by Kington & Rackliff dated July 1943 at RAF Oakington. 1409 (Met) Flight was, then, mainly a Mosquito equipped PAMPA Unit. There were, thus, no actual meteorologists as crew on the Flight. The met data was observed by the Nav (as well as doing the nav stuff – busy man!!!).

    HTH

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    Thanks for the additional information Peter.

    Co-incidentally he's the second local airman I've come across who was awarded the DFC with 1409 Flight, being born in Sunderland in 1911. The other is Albert Roland WRAY from Hartlepool. His DFC was gazetted in May 1945, with a Bar to that gazetted in November 1945. I'd be interested to hear if you have any info on him too Peter. Here's what I have, from the Hartlepool Mail, November 17th 1945:

    The latest list of R.A.F. awards includes a bar to the D.F.C. of Flying Officer Albert Roland Wray, only son of Mr. and Mrs. A. J. Wray of 57 Thornhill Gardens, West Hartlepool.
    The citation states: “F/O Wray has completed numerous meteorological reconnaissances penetrating into Germany. He has been responsible for some very comprehensive weather reports, which have been of great value to Bomber Command. At all times he has shown great courage and devotion to duty.”
    Aged 23, F/O Wray is an old boy of West Hartlepool Secondary School and an ex-member of No. 635 (West Hartlepool Technical College) Air Training Corps. Before joining the Air Force in 1942 was employed in the offices of the Hartlepool Gas and Water Co. He enlisted in February, 1942, received his training as a navigator in Canada, and was commissioned in February, 1944. He was awarded the D.F.C. earlier this year in recognition of numerous operations against the enemy [including a trip to Berchesgaden], in which he invariably displayed fortitude, courage and devotion to duty.

    Regards

    Simon
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    Simon, Hi

    He’s not indexed in “Even The Birds Were Walking”. It looks as if he was another non-meteorological aircrew – i.e. a Nav. The Wiki history of 1409 (Met) Flight is fairly accurate.

    Albert Roland Wray. b. 21 Dec 1922 Hartlepool 10a 284. d. Q4 1980 Newcastle-on-Tyne 2 0766. Looks like he was an only child? Might be an Obit in one of the local papers – he was, after all, DFC and Bar!!!

    25 Feb 1944 1567183 [Various Centres Apr-Oct 1941] LAC Albert Roland WRAY Cmd (164214) Plt Off(p) RAFVR GD Branch.

    25 Aug 1944 Prom Fg Off .

    Air Ministry, 25th May, 1945.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards: —
    Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Flying Officer
    Albert Roland WRAY (164214), R.A.F.V R

    Air Ministry, 16th November, 1945.
    The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the following awards: —
    Bar to Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Flying Officer
    Albert Roland WRAY, D.F.C. (164214), R.A.F.V.R.

    25 Feb 1946 Prom Flt Lt


    And there I lose him!

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    Simon,

    Lancaster VII NX635 was with No.32 MU (St Athan), not 12 MU.

    Are you aware of the following:

    27-8-1945
    No.1409 Met Flight
    Mosquito PR.XVI NS733
    Training.

    Aircraft swung viciously to port while taking off from Upwood aerodrome, undercarriage collapsed and aircraft caught fire.

    131640 F/L (Pilot) Alfred George HUGHES DFC RAFVR - Injured
    164214 F/L (Nav.) Albert Roland WRAY DFC* RAFVR - Injured
    ---?---- LAC (Pass?) J F LLOYD - Injured.

    BCL6/181 & http://www.rafupwood.co.uk/1409metflight.htm

    Col.
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    Thank you both for the replies.

    Firstly, thanks Col for correcting the unit of NX635 - I did have it down as 32 MU, but my fingers can't keep up with my brain these days. I'd already come across the incident with NS733.

    I do have a record of Wray's service, courtesy of a family member via ancestry.co.uk. Here are some excerpts:

    October 1st 1943 - Course 86A, No. 1 CNS, Rivers, Manitoba

    Back in the UK February 1944, then to Pathfinder Navigation Training Unit, Warboys from July 1944

    By September 1944 he was with 1409 Met Flight

    February 26th 1946 - 9 Personnel Despatch Centre, Blackpool

    March 1946 - Air Command SE Asia

    June 1946 - 1300 Met Flight, Burma

    August 1946 - 24 Personnel Transit Centre, Habbiniya

    September 1946 - 104 Personnel Despatch Centre, Hednesford, date of release September 8th 1946

    Regards

    Simon

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