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    Thursday 24 August 1939 , Birmingham Daily Post , West Midlands, England

    SEAPLANE LANDS RYDE BEACH PILOT AND OBSERVERS' ESCAPE INJURY Lieutenant O’Brien, of Lee-on-Solent Naval Air Station, made a forced landing on Ryde beach after the seaplane was piloting had been deprived of its steering. The mishap, which occurred at a height of 4,000 feet, was caused an inflatable raft breaking loose from its compartment and becoming entangled in the rudder. Lieutenant Brien came down in shallow water, just missing rocks on the shore. He and his two observers stepped out unhurt

    This is Lieutenant P E O’Brien

    So if you look on ISLE OF WIGHT CRASHES

    http://wight.hampshireairfields.co.uk/iowc.html


    You have

    23-08-39 L2776(unconfirmed)Swordfish,771 Sq.FAA,Fcd ldg nr Players Copse,nr Ryde

    All well and good, but I do not like the unconfirmed

    So checking Air Britain RN Serials 1929 to 1939 we have the following

    L2776 "Minor accident involving dinghy Lee-On-Solent (therefore 771 Sqn?) which FL on foreshore nr Players Copse, Bimsted, Isle of Wight when a raft stowed under one of the wings came out of its container and landed on rudder. 23-08-09


    But straight below we have L2777 which it says "Deld FAA Pool Gosport 17.9.37, FAA Pool Lee; Crashed Lee on Solent 23-08-09"

    Notice the same date.. and very similar serial numbers ??

    The problem is L2776 was previously with 811 Sqn and no Transfer date to 771 Sqn, where as L2777 was at Lee-on-Solent as was Lieutenant O’Brien

    I wonder if the two aircraft histories have been muddled up ?

    Paul


    I wonder if

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    Yes, histories muddled.

    L2777 has the dinghy card on 23-08-1939

    L2776 was Cat M on 16-01-1939 at Donibristle with No.811 Squadron

    PS use the Units tab to get the full text unit name for accurate searching, no + between RNAS and Lee.

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    Ross

    Thanks Ross

    Pilot of L2777 'P E O'Brien' is

    Percy Edward O'Brien killed Lt 22/11/1941

    From Navy History Website

    O'BRIEN, Percy E, Lieutenant, FAA, 830 Sqn, HMS St Angelo, 21 November 1941, air crash, missing (date mismatch) - But note time below

    However

    World War II Sea War, Vol 4: Germany Sends Russia to the Allies
    By John Smillie

    Via Google

    22 November 1941
    0038 Swordfish aircraft of 830 Squadon torpedoed Italian light crusier DUCA DEGLI ABRUZZI (KptzS Zannon)
    Lt P E 'O'Brien and T/Sub LT (A) A J Griffith RNVR of 830 Squadron weer shot down. O'Brein was killed
    and Griffith was rescued by ITALIAN destoyer PESSAGNO and made PoW
    ABRUZZI her stern lown off proceeded ti Messina for repairs under her own power




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    Yes K5945 on night attack. Took off 21 and shot down 22nd

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    Between L2776 and L2777 - 2777 was recorded at 700 Sqn with floats. Looking at the squadrons and bases L2776 seems to have been wheeled and not converted to floats.

    Just one caution. Both aircraft are listed by Sturtivant as lost on different dates in 1941 while on operations so more sifting needed to define history outside the snapshots I gave.

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    Ross

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    yes

    I suspect the "SEAPLANE" Reference in newspaper means the Swordfish at Isle of Wight had floats

    Interesting L2778 to L2782 all had floats!


    Paul


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    Hello,

    T/Sub-Lt (A) A J GRIFFITH RNVR, possibly: T/Sub-Lt (A) Adolph John GRIFFITH RNVR (later T/A/Lt-Cdr DSC) https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/5656

    Ray Sturtivant (The Swordfish Story, p.180) - states that Griffith was picked up by Italian destroyer "Emanuele Pessagno" and eventually returned via Turkey.

    Col.
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