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    (this is an offshoot of this thread - where I talk about a new database i have built)

    Having it in a database allows various 'querying'.. Just in case anyone is wondering..Those commemorated by branch/air arm (including German and Italian Axis war dead)

    Total Branch
    67,286 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    17,360 Royal Canadian Air Force
    15,275 Royal Air Force
    11,073 Royal Australian Air Force
    3,779 Royal New Zealand Air Force
    2,667 South African Air Force
    1,944 German Air Force
    1,458 Polish Air Force
    899 Royal Indian Air Force
    787 Royal Air Force (Auxiliary Air Force)
    731 Women's Auxiliary Air Force
    165 Air Transport Auxiliary
    144 R.A.F. Iraq Levies
    116 Royal Air Force (RAFO)
    109 Royal Air Force Ferry Command
    73 Rhodesia Air Askari Corps
    59 Royal Netherlands Navy Air Service
    59 Women's Auxiliary Australian Air Force
    51 Greek Air Force
    40 Royal Canadian Air Force (Women's Division)
    39 Women's Auxiliary Air Force (S.A.A.F.)
    37 Netherlands Air Force
    32 Royal Air Force Transport Command
    30 U.S. Army Air Forces
    28 West African Air Corps
    21 Civilian Technical Corps
    15 Norwegian Air Force
    13 Malayan Volunteer Air Force
    10 New Zealand Women's Auxiliary Air Force
    7 Southern Rhodesia Air Force
    7 Princess Mary's R.A.F. Nursing Service
    7 Burma Volunteer Air Force
    6 Italian Air Force
    5 Southern Rhodesia Women's Auxiliary Air Service
    4 Royal Australian Air Force Nursing Service
    2 Belgian Air Force
    1 Burma Air Force
    124,339 Grand Total
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    Some RAF Units lost 100s.. Here are the ones that lost more than 500 personnel each

    115 Sqdn 951
    103 Sqdn 910
    101 Sqdn 910
    9 Sqdn 883
    12 Sqdn 874
    102 Sqdn 822
    78 Sqdn 813
    57 Sqdn 813
    50 Sqdn 809
    61 Sqdn 804
    44 Sqdn 802
    106 Sqdn 797
    51 Sqdn 781
    7 Sqdn 779
    49 Sqdn 761
    207 Sqdn 750
    15 Sqdn 750
    77 Sqdn 748
    83 Sqdn 744
    10 Sqdn 737
    166 Sqdn 730
    149 Sqdn 698
    156 Sqdn 690
    158 Sqdn 676
    76 Sqdn 625
    97 Sqdn 600
    218 Sqdn 592
    35 Sqdn 574
    100 Sqdn 537
    90 Sqdn 525
    75 Sqdn 506

    48,722 of the killed do not have a parent unit mentioned.

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    Distribution by Age:

    Age Total
    16 8
    17 81
    18 887
    19 5695
    20 11313
    21 14073
    22 12108
    23 9459
    24 6738
    25 5446
    26 4772
    27 4296
    28 3712
    29 3346
    30 2796
    31 2318
    32 2004
    33 1577
    34 1231
    35 962
    36 697
    37 606
    38 486
    39 479
    40 373
    41 308
    42 282
    43 209
    44 177
    45 148
    46 127
    47 115
    48 97
    49 92
    50 67
    51 79
    52 66
    53 41
    54 46
    55 35
    56 38
    57 38
    58 33
    59 25
    60 15
    61 11
    62 12
    63 14
    64 5
    65 5
    67 1
    69 4
    70 1
    71 1
    73 1
    No Age 26783
    124339

    The oldest who died include (73,71,70 years respectively)
    Air Corporal TREVELLEION (312686) 1943-06-22 South Africa

    Warrant Officer Class II John LOVE (211782) 1947-12-31 South Africa Lydenburg Cemetery

    Squadron Leader Alexander Wilson HOGG (1806) 1943-05-27 New Zealand Wellington (Karori) Cemetery

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    Senior most ranking who died

    rank initials surname Age Died honours_awards
    Air Vice Marshal C H B BLOUNT 1940-10-23 C B, O B E, M C
    Air Vice Marshal C D BREESE 51 1941-03-05 C B, A F C, Twice Mentioned in Despatches
    Air Vice Marshal A C MAUND 51 1942-12-13 C B, C B E, D S O
    Air Vice Marshal W A McCLAUGHRY 48 1943-01-04 C B, D S O, M C, D F C
    Air Vice Marshal A H ORLEBAR 46 1943-08-04 C B E, A F C and Bar
    Air Vice Marshal C W H PULFORD 50 1942-03-10 C B, O B E, A F C
    Air Vice Marshal R P M WHITHAM 47 1943-03-23 C B, O B E, M C
    Air Vice Marshal O T BOYD 54 1944-08-05 C B, O B E, M C, A F C
    Air Chief Marshal C S BURNETT 62 1945-04-09 K C B, C B E, D S O
    Air Vice Marshal J B COLE-HAMILTON 51 1945-08-22 C B, C B E
    Air Vice Marshal G G DAWSON 48 1944-11-14 C B, C B E
    Air Marshal P R M DRUMMOND 50 1945-03-27 K C B, D S O and Bar, O B E, M C,
    Air Vice Marshal W R KENNY 58 1944-04-11 D F C
    Air Chief Marshal T L LEIGH-MALLORY 52 1944-11-14 K C B, C B, D S O
    Air Marshal F J LINNELL 52 1944-11-03 K B E, C B, Twice Mentioned in Despatches
    Air Vice Marshal R B MANSELL 48 1945-01-22 C B
    Air Vice Marshal J R SCARLETT-STREATFEILD 36 1945-05-10 C B E, Mentioned in Despatches

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    Jagan,

    With the greatest of respect, the figures you are using are based on online CWGC data, which has been shown at times to be incomplete or incorrect. A good example of this are your figures for the RAAF Nursing Service deaths. You qoute 4 deaths for the RAAFNS, there were actually 5 deaths. The one that you have not picked up on, is: (N504)103 Sister Joan CONNELL RAAFNS, who passed away from illness at No.2 RAAF Hospital, on 17-5-1942. If you check the Graves Registration Report and the Register entry, you will see l'm correct.

    https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R1704391/

    There are many errors, still, on the CWGC database ie, incorrect units, dates etc. An error in one entry creates a need to correct an entry elsewhere. A useful tool, but not the final word.

    Col.

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    Colin, absolutely. I have no doubt errors exist. even that lone entry for Burma Air Force is suspect - it must be BVAF. l read about a few additions that others (like on ww2talk.com ) have managed to get added into the DB. 60-70 years after the event!

    Though in this case, Sister Connell's name is there in the db http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...lia&qdate=1942 but seem the parent unit is not recorded as RAAF Nursing Services.
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    Hi Jagan

    Another example, I notice you show 676 casualties for 158 Sqn, however the 158 Sqn Memorial at Lissett has 851 names on it.

    Malcolm

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    Malcolm

    This will be a problem with all squadrons as many of the Commonwealth personnel do not have the unit shown as "nn Sqdn" on their CWGC record

    Regards

    Pete
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    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Malcolm, i may have filtered out non-RAF personnel from it during my direct queries A direct search on the site is showing up 797 names - the consistency in unit names is missing.. 158 Sqdn at one point and 158 (RAF) Sqdn at another. Still some 60 names short from your total.

    This inconsistency can be found in another places. A search on 1 Sqdn would bring up 1 Sqdn RAF, 1 Sqdn RIAF, 1 Sqdn SAAF and show them in one page. I may have to provide an ability to filter based on parent unit (RAF, IAF, SAAF) etc to provide an accurate result.

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    Hello,

    No.158 Sqn RAF Casualties (Roll of Honour)

    RAF --- 684
    RAAF --048
    RCAF --098
    RNZAF-021
    Total --851

    See:
    In Brave Company - 158 Squadron Operations.
    Chorley,W R.
    Sixpenny Handley:Chorley,1990(2nd rev.ed.)
    pp.xi-xxv.

    NB. One error I have found in Chorley's RoH - J E R LAVIGNE (+9-1-43), is listed as RAF, he was RCAF (corrected in BCL9/274). One error on the CWGC, is: 174704 F/O Sidney HODGES DFC (+12-11-45), the CWGC have him listed as 128 Sqn - he was 158 Sqn.

    At least six 158 Sqn ground staff were killed in an accident on 2-7-1943 (no unit mentioned on CWGC). http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...irmen-2-7-1943

    Col.
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