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    Default Hurricane Z3842 versus Havoc W8257 on 2.6.42

    Hi all,

    I would like to ask for help with following accident of Hurricane Z3842 from 32 Sq piloted by F/Sgt Vejlupek and Havoc III W8257 from 1452 Flight. Both planes were on Turnilite practice when collided in air over Farleightem. According to Air Britain list both planes crash landed, I know that F/Sgt Vejlupek was seriously injured but survived. Could anyone add the names of Havoc crew + their fate?

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    If no one comes up with an answer I could have a look in the ORB as I was planning to go to Kew next week sometime.

    1452 Flight shoudl be in AIR 29 but it isn't, it has been included with 531 Sqn (which 1452 Flight became in September 1942) as AIR 27/2001.
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    Pavel,

    Mr Henk Welting had the same question here: http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=12663&forum=DCForumI D6&archive=yes

    He has another name for the Hurricane pilot: F/Sgt Wilbert Merrithew (RCAF)...

    Unfortunately, no answers were given.

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    Leendert

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    Hi chaps,

    thanks fort your replies.

    Alan - I will be very thanful as I am planning visit to PRO during autumn and I need info for this case as soon as possible.

    Leendert - I know about this post, it was the reason why I have re-open it here. I have also infromed Henk that I have another pilot for the Hurricane and I am waiting for his reply.

    Pavel
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    I finally got back to the NA and here are the entries from the ORB for 1452 Flight.

    June 2nd 1942, “Boston III (Turbinlite) Aircraft W8257 involved in a mid air collision with a Hurricane of No.32 Squadron. P/O A.F. McManemy and 902039 Sgt G.R. Fennell killed. Aircraft Cat “E”.”

    June 2nd 1942, “Boston III W8257
    P/O McManemy
    Sgt Fennell
    Patrol
    t/o 23.35
    Collided with Hurricane while trying to contact Satellite.
    Pilot and Observer killed.”

    And here are the details from the CWGC register. McManemy must have been given an honoury promotion following his death. Not uncommon when you start looking for them.

    Anthony Francis McManemy
    Flying Officer (Pilot)
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    67661

    Gordon Richard Fennell
    Sergeant (W.Op./Obs.)
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    902039
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    Fabulous!

    Many thanks Alan

    Pavel
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    No problem, only took a couple of minutes.
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    Default Honorary promotions

    I have never heard of such a promotion in RAF, although there were certain individuals who held what was known as honorary rank. However the "normal" reason why many individuals who appear in unit records with a certain rank at the time of their death are recorded by the CWGC with the next highest rank is that their promotion was pending at the time of death. Sometimes individuals could also hold "acting" rank, and this rank is also recorded by CWGC although the fact that it was an acting rank is not usually mentioned. Most RAF officer ranks in wartime were known as "war substantive" and the timing of promotions was based on the Branch in which the officer served (General Duties for aircrew) and time, typically after six months as a P/O in G/D Branch for promotion to F/O, then 18 months for promotion to F/L. However earlier in WW2 it was more normal for there to be 12 months between promotions from P/O to F/O, and F/O to F/L. Promotions thereafter were usually not elapsed time based, but on performance, and most ranks above this were acting. Generally normal promotion was subject to the approval of the CO, but you had to do something pretty frightful to have normal promotion delayed. Of course certain breaches of discipline could also be punished by putting back seniority, typically by three to six months.
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    Hi David,

    you are right. I have one example of Czech AG who while waiting for commision took of for A/S Patrol as Sgt, got killed and in CWGC is commemorate as P/O.

    Pavel
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    I have another, though Australian, where a Sergeant pilot was killed and is recorded as P/O, there is even a note in his casulaty file about it, it was back dated to midnight prior to him being killed so the promotion must have been pending anyway.
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