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    Hello,

    What do we know about this unit which seems to have existed for a couple of months only on Mitchells. What was its purpose and does exist any ORB? I tried to check in the NA with no success so far.

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    Phil, Hi,
    Sturtivant (FT&SU 1912+) says:

    "Existed by 8/43 (appears to have been a top secret unit, possibly based at Dunsfold, or Lasham, or Swanton Morley). Aircraft: Mitchell II (FV913); Boston IIIa (BZ221)."

    Chasing that Unit through all those Stations (if it ever went to any of them?!!) and the a/c should keep you off the streets for some time!!!!!!!!!!!! Good hunting!!!

    HTH

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    I believe Sturtivant used as his main source the SD155 documents, which show the planned/actual formation and disbandment dates of units on a monthly basis. These documents tend to show the full name of a unit not an abbreviation so I would have thought that if he wrote 'No 2 Group Reconnaissance Flight' that is what was shown in SD155.

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    I have no axe to grind. I simply reported what was printed. Sturtivant also uses the phrase "appears to have been a top secret unit". It is Aug 1943 when it appears for the first time? That is 10 months before OVERLORD. I go along with David D's ideas (post #11). The Planners would, by then, have had a good idea of the likely areas/targets/distances. It would seem to be a good idea if the aircrew (and their immediate execs) were given an idea of what they were going to be asked to do, and how (even if, for security reasons, they couldn't be told where/when)?
    HTH
    Peter Davies

    PS Might this not have been an introduction to the "Cab Rank" procedure (which had been so successful in N Africa and Italy) which many UK based crews would not have been trained in?
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    Peter's post (#14) prompted me to think outside the box. 2 Group transferred from Bomber Command to 2nd TAF on 1 June 1943, preparatory to the invasion of Europe (http://www.rafweb.org/Organsation/Grp01.htm). I wonder if 2 Group Reconnaissance Flight was provisionally established in anticipation of support for 2nd TAF operations, but then found to be surplus to requirements.

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    Hi Phil

    Taking Peters' BZ221 reference, Air Britain BZ thingies says "2 Gp Rec Flt"; so far so good.

    However there are another 29 Boston IIIa in the BZ range with the same entry. A check of the movement cards for these aircraft shows all going to "2 Group Rec Flt" from 12 MU during the 8.43 onwards period most to Hartford Bridge but some to Foulsham..........subsequently all moving on fairly quickly to operational Boston units. None of them seem to have had serious accidents or been lost during this period. So was this a paper exercise that didn't actually happen, or was "2 Gp Rec Flt" some kind of holding unit like the later 2 GSU.

    MJF Bowyer in "2 Group RAF" makes a slightly off the wall comment about BZ221 belonging to "2 Group Recce Flight". although doesn't seem to mention the unit anywhere else in the book, unlike him..........is this the source of 2 Group Reconaissance Flt ? In the same comment he refers to Mitchell FV913 as also being of this unit but says nothing further, FV913 being mentioned only as one of the most flown of its type.

    Anyone have the record cards or A/B F serials..........does it say 2 Gp Rec Flt against FV913 and FV928 ?

    The only special duty Mitchells that i can think of were the so called Ginger Flight but that was a year later.

    Interesting, good luck
    Peter
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    Peter,

    A/B FA100 - FZ999 lists the following Mitchell II's as having been first allocated to 2 Gp Rec Flt ; FV908, FV911, FV913, FV914, FV918, FV923, FV927, FV928, FV929, FV931, FV934, FV936, FV943, FV944, FV948, FV958, FV963, FV967, FV976, FW115, FW116.

    All went on to other units - a great variety of other units including operational squadrons, OTU and even the RAE / A&AEE.

    J.

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    Peter,
    Forget BZ221, its cards shows a 2 GRF between 22.08.43 and 28.08.43 before being issued to 88 Sqn. Not significative. The other Bostons are similar, BZ213 (15.10.43/07.11.43 then to 107 Sqn), BZ234 (31.08.43/09.09.43 then to 107 Sqn), BZ252 (16.08.43/30.08.43 then 107 Sqn), BZ261 (somewhere in August date not given but ACFA 29.08 to 04.09.43 then 12 MU 05.10.43), BZ264 (17.08.43/24.08.43 then 88 Sqn), BZ269 (21.10.43/07.11.43 then 342 Sqn), BZ285 (somewherein October at 2 Gpr Re Flight Hartford until 05.11.43 then 107 Sqn), BZ301 (20.09.43/02.10.43 then 342 Sqn), BZ302 (13.09.43/25.09.43 then 342 Sqn), BZ307 (20.09.43/15.10.43 then 88 Sqn), BZ312 (17.08.43/30.08.43 then 88), BZ322 (30.08.43/08.09.43 then 88 Sqn)...I checked all the others and all are like those ones, they seem to have been issued to this unit for one to four weeks no more. They are too many for so short period of time to consider 'secret' missions, so difficult to figure out what it was for.
    For the Mitchells, I've got only FR206, which served with 2 GRF between 25.12.43 and 24.03.44 then issued to 320 Sqn.

    HTH a little!!!

    Phil

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    Might not No.2 Group Reconnaissance Flight (No.2 Gp Rec Flt) actually be No.2 Group Receiving Flight or some such. The information above seems to indicate that it received aircraft before they were quickly sent to other units, a kind of GSU like suggested by Peter. What is the source for its designation No.2 Group Reconnaissance Flight?

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    Sturtivant (FT&SU 1912+, 2007, p.161(of my printing)) definitely has an Entry Header of:-

    No.2 GROUP RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHT

    HTH

    Peter Davies
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