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    Hi Rod.

    Halifax JP173/H 58 Sqn. Missing. F/L Baker as captain was lost on 20 February (Ref. AIR 25/382 18 Group ORB).

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    I have no knowledge of the Feb attacks. But my father's log book states he was at Stornoway Sept.-Dec1944 with 58 Squadron (He then moved to Defford on radar trials). At Stornoway he was WO/AG with F/Lt Bell and took part in two attacks . On 6th Dec a strike against Kristiansund Harbour and bombed a MV. and then on 11th Dec. they bombed 4 MVs in Aalesund Harbour, heavy flak and their aircraft was hit. A lot of the time he was at Stornoway the crew were on HX224. If anyone has any more info about 58 Sqn at this time I should really welcome hearing it.
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    I have never met your father, but I have met Bell about 15 years ago. He gave my wife a painting that is hanging on the wall in our hallway.

    It is quite amazing what the crews from 58 og 502 Squadron went through. The German ships carried a lot of AA and German night fighters operated against them. They had no back up from 100 Group ECM and almost no British night fighter protection.

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    Hi Everyone,

    thank you for the additional details.

    The purpose of my request has been to check to see what Coastal Command aerial incursions may have been defended by German night fighters from the Nachtjagdstaffel Norwegen during the period concerned. Unfortunately, details of air operations by the Nachtjagdstaffel Norwegen are "rare as hens teeth", so I have been using what few primary sources are available, including air situation reports compiled by the Operations Staff of the Luftwaffe High Command. I have previously built up a comprehensve picture of RAF Bomber Command and Transport Command air operations around and over Norway, but have been lacking details of Coastal Command (I will look to obtain a copy of the 18 Group ORB to rectify this).

    Carsten, thank you for the additional details on the Arsterturm incident. Did this attack occur at twilight or after dark? In using the USNO sun and moon website, it suggests that the time of the attack was after civil twlight.

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    Rod

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    Pete (My father) was with 502 then 58 and his log book makes interesting reading, although very brief. 7/4/41 special escort HMS Hood. 28/5/41 special escort HMS King George V and Rodney and engaged EA .E.111 and JU88. 12/2/42 attacked H.E. 115 attacked by FW 190. 24/3/42 Attacked by destroyer crashed on 'drome. 29/3/42 special escort search for St Nazaire commandos. 7/8thFeb 1944 attacked U Boat awarded DFM (big interest here as I was born next day). 2/8/44 attacked and sunk Sperrbrecher, there is a large amount of other entries just like these. There is a wealth of story behind these 'bald' statements and it was a great pity that my parents divorced when I was six and Pete emigrated to NZ. I got in contact later in life but never really had the opportunity to talk about it. I have found out a fair amount about some of the entries but by no means all, hence the interest.

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    Hello

    I`v got some info, i have a german dockument that states 3 planes shot Down by night fighters from Kjevik airfield near Kristiansand.
    LJ925 and NA103298 was shot Down near Arendal, i have some additional info on these, the two other i have no info about. and are still looking for more

    Mvh

    Werner Wernersen Norway, Arendal
    Dato Fly S/N Skvadn. Kode Flyplass Oppdrag Distrikt Slipp plass Flyver Styrtplass
    25.02.1945 Short stirling LK295 196 ZO- Sheperds Grove
    25.02.1945 Short stirling LJ925 196 ZO-J Sheperds Grove Stirrup 2 Hamrefjell F/O Tickner Hølen, Hisøy
    25.02.1945 H.P.Halifax NA103298 8T-M Tarrant Rushton Crupper 40 Malsjøen F/O Edick
    25.02.1945 H.P.Halifax NA127644 tarrant Rushton Ears 2 P/O Wells
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    Hi Rod

    Let me know (email) if you want me to check out any of those Sqn ORB's for you.

    Ian
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    Hi Werner, and Rod

    I popped in to the National Archives today and took a quick look at these Sqn ORB's for 25/2/1945.

    Regarding your 4 aircraft:

    Stirling LK295 isn't listed in the 196 Sqn ORB as failing to return from any op on 25/2/1945. I may have to go back again another day to look for references to the a/c on other dates around that time. But Bowyer's book "The Stirling Story" says LK295 was "V" of 196 Sqn and was "damaged" on 25-26/2/1945 - maybe a non-op accident?

    196 Sqn Stirling LJ925 is listed. F/O R G Tickner RAAF (A420304). It gives the location of the "Stirrup 2" DZ as 5954N / 0757E. No times given.

    298 Sqn Halifax NA103, 8T-M (F/O R S Edick RCAF) is listed simply as "SOE. Missing." No times given.

    644 Sqn Halifax NA127, 9U-D (P/O S T Wells) failed to return, not on 25/2/1945 but on the night of 2-3/3/1945 instead. I didn't specifically write it down but don't recall seeing any losses being recorded by 644 on 25-26/2. As you say, P/O Wells failed to return from a sortie to "Ears 2", and it gives the location of that DZ as 605605N / 120956E. (It also gives his flight route and I can provide those co-ordinates if anyone wants them). A message was received from the a/c at 03:20 on its way home saying it was ditching at position 5600N / 0655E. The squadron sent out a number of a/c over the next couple of days to search for the crew, and I think it said a dinghy was seen, but the crew were never found.

    Hope this may be of interest

    Ian
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    Hello, thanks for the reply

    196 Sqn Stirling LJ925 is listed. F/O R G Tickner RAAF (A420304). It gives the location of the "Stirrup 2" DZ as 5954N / 0757E. No times given.

    Tickner was shot Down at lake holen, near Arendal i Norway, he was shot Down by night fighters from Kjevik airport near Kristiansand, the germans hav noted time of crash to 21:42

    298 Sqn Halifax NA103, 8T-M (F/O R S Edick RCAF) is listed simply as "SOE. Missing." No times given. this plan was also shot Down by night fighters from Kjevik at the same night, at 23:13 this crash wasent discowered until 1988 i think, an there is a memorial plack at the Torungen lighthouse outside Arendal.

    in general there was several planes that went Down in the Arendal area in early 1945 i have noted 8 planes in the period 22/2 to 30/3, this is only Allied plans there are also 2-3 german planes.

    in referens to earlier list i am stil interested in further info.

    last year at the 8 of may, Norwegian liberation day we had some of the families of the Holen crasch visiting Arendal there are some pics at our home site http://www.akhf.no/index.html

    Werner

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