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    Hi

    I am a cub leader, and we are doing a local history project.
    We meet in a church hall and know that we have a WW2 serviceman buried there.
    I have done a search for his name and this Forum came up on a thread of people who died on 23rd April 1942

    If anyone can help us with our research or get any information we would be delighted. We are particularly interested in this man as he died on St Georges Day, the Patron saint of scouting.

    All we have is
    Norman Elcock
    21.10.1921-23.04.1942
    Killed during operations whilst serving with HM forces
    Son of Albert and Phyllis
    Also the RAF logo on his grave which is quite grand.

    Many thanks in advance for any help

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    He was attached to No.6 Anti-Aircraft Co-operation Unit at Ringway and was on detachment to Sydenham. The following are entries from the Operations Record Book for No.5 AACU.

    April 23rd 1942, “Lysander V9721 crashed at Sydenham, Pilot, Sgt Pudelko, J. and WOP/AG Sgt Elcock N. both killed. Action taken, investigation proceeding, F/O Wilczynski proceeded by air to Sydenham. Letter sent to next of kin.”

    April 24th 1942, “S/Ldr Blake, accompanied by F/Sgt Watts, travelled by air to Sydenham to investigate the crash. Both returned by air, late afternoon.”
    Alan Clark

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    From the Commonwealth War Grave Commission Site:

    Rank: Sergeant
    Trade: W.Op./Air Gnr.
    Service No: 1112747
    Date of Death: 23/04/1942
    Age: 21
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Grave Reference: Grave 258. Cemetery:OVER CONGREGATIONAL BURIAL GROUND
    Additional Information: Son of Albert Edward and Phyllis Elcock, of Winsford.

    Regards

    Pete
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    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    thank you! may I ask what AACU is? I know the kids will ask me!

    ?? Anti Aircraft co-operation unit???

    what does that mean?
    Last edited by Krysia Wieckowska Rose; 29th June 2016 at 19:03.

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    thank you! I am a complete novice Im afraid, can you please explain W.Op/Air Gnr. I assume the second part is Air Gunner? suggesting he was firing?

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    Airmen selected for aircrew went through three phases of training (basic, technical and operational).

    During the technical training phase (also known as trade training) each airmen was given instruction in their specific aircrew trade (such as pilot, observer, wireless operator, air gunner, flight engineer)

    A WOP/AG was an airman who was trained as a wireless operator, with subsequent air gunner training (which was standard practice in the first few years of the war).

    I hope this gives you a bit of background to help you put it into context.

    Regards

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    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    An AACU provided 'targets' for anti-aircraft units, either ground based guns or for air to air gunnery practice, most of their work was towing target banners but some operated remote controlled target aircraft which were actually shot down.
    Alan Clark

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    Hi Al,

    Just for clarity for Krysia, I think you meant to say '... aircraft for air to air gunnery practice'.

    Rob

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    Thank you so much every one!

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