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    Hello All,
    Does anybody know where BACTP No 40 SFTS was located in Canada? Or - if it was not located - why was it not located?
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    Unless you have a direct reference to 40 SFTS, Peter, it probably never existed. See the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ties_in_Canada, which shows a gap between 39 and 41 SFTSs.

    Brian

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    Precisely! If there was a 39, and if there was a 41, then there must - logically - have been a 40 (if only putative)? I am simply trying to find out if Sturtevant missed something. We already know of 3 x typos in one single entry (for 35 SFTS) in his book. Are there more waiting to trap us?
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    Hello,

    It looks as if Samuel Kostenuk and John Griffin are also part of the "Great Conspiracy"!

    Appendix 1 - British Commonwealth Air Training Plan.
    Organization - January 1944.

    No.4 Training Command. Headquarters Regina, Saskatchewan.

    Service Flying Training Schools.

    No.3 SFTS - Calgary, Alta. Anson, Crane.
    No.7 SFTS - McLeod, Alta. Anson.
    No.15 SFTS - Claresholm, Alta. Anson.
    No.19 SFTS - Vulcan, Alta. Anson.
    No.32 SFTS - Moose Jaw, Sask. Oxford.
    No.34 SFTS - Medicine Hat, Alta. Harvard, Oxford.
    No.36 SFTS - Penhold, Alta. Oxford.
    No.37 SFTS - Calgary. Alta. Oxford, Harvard, Anson.
    No.38 SFTS - Estevan, Sask. Anson.
    No.39 SFTS - Swift Current, Sask. Oxford.
    No.41 SFTS - Weyburn, Sask. Anson, Harvard.

    See:
    RCAF Squadron Histories and Aircraft 1924-1968.
    Kostenuk,S & J Griffin.
    Toronto:Hakkert & Company,1977.
    p.230.

    No sign of a 40 SFTS in any of the other 3 Training Commands either.

    Col.

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    Not so, Peter, there were no schools numbered 20 to 30.

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    Actually, Col's list is only 4 TC, there were lots of Schools in the 20s and 30s with other commands. 20 EFTS was 1 TC, at Oshawa. No EFTS from 26 to 31, it appears RAF Schools started at 31, there would only be a 30 if RCAF Schools went that far down the list. RCAF SFTS ended at 19, RAF started at 31. Other than EFTS and SFTS, no other Schools got anywhere near these numbers.

    I have never found any reference to 40 SFTS. Don't know why.

    Just as an aside, you do have to be careful with any source, even the epic tome by Kostenuk and Griffin. 4 TC HQ had moved to Calgary, Alberta by 1944.

    BTW, I lost my pdf copy of Aerodromes of Democracy some time ago in a hard drive crash, and can't find it on-line. If anyone has this book, it may answer this question.

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    Biill,

    Hang in there, I might be able to help with Aerodrome of Democracy. Try this:

    http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-...erodrome_e.pdf

    See:pp.225-230 of 242 - Appendix C.

    Bill, Fred Hatch states that No.4 TC HQ moved to Calgary in September 1941! (p.63fn of 242).

    Col.
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    Thank you Col! The book indeed confirms that 4 TC HQ moved in September 1941, but offers no insight into what happened to No. 40 SFTS.

    It does point out that the planned number of RAF Schools went up and down as war fortunes and political thinking shifted. At one point, the RAF planned over 20 SFTS in Canada, there could have been a 51 SFTS!

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    Thanks to all for the inputs. We are just trying to clarify the "big picture" in advance of the arrival of Cpl Ford-Smith's SR. The second sentence of Bill's last says it all!! "You want What/How-Many/Where - and by When?" has been spoken down a telephone in a high-pitched, hysterical, voice on more than one occasion!!!! Done it myself!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
    Last edited by Resmoroh; 7th August 2016 at 18:16. Reason: QSD
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