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    Good Morning. I was wondering if all Newfoundlander's in the RAF had service numbers from a single grouping. 800 or so joined the RAF with a few joining the RCAF.

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    Hello Richard,

    Work your way through this lot:

    http://www.ngb.chebucto.org/NFREG/index_wwii.shtml

    See particularly:

    http://ngb.chebucto.org/NFREG/WWII/w...ntingent.shtml

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    Richard, Hi,
    In addition, please be aware that the RAF Enlisted Number block 798500-799549 was allocated in Aug 1940 to "Local Enlistments in Newfoundland". Now I am not entirely clear as to just what a "Local Enlistment" actually was - I think that the individual Attested, was uniformed/kitted/trained in the basics, but would not be expected to serve outside the country/area where (s)he lived. Newfoundland had a number of very important airfields during WW2. These would all need ancillary staff (in various functions) who were subject to the Air Force Act, and military discipline? Tracking down those 1049 good souls should keep you occupied for some time?!!!!
    The 339801-340000 list in the link were all Enlisted transfers from the Army in Jul 1940. Don't know which Army they came from, but it looks fairly clear that there was some considerable movement/mobilisation of bodies in Newfoundland in Jul/Aug 1940. Must have been a reason (one hopes!!).
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    COL's second link can easily be copied/pasted to Excel.
    If you re-order by Service Number then things become a bit easier.
    There are some anomalies.
    I will work though them after I have attended to my other duties.
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    Richard, Hi,


    I get 725 Newfoundlanders in RAF service from those two lists (there may be more?).
    There are 11 in WW1. There are two main number blocks for WW2.

    339801-340000 Army Transfers Jul 1940. The highest number I can find is 339981. There are 14 Names still missing.

    798500-799549 Local Enlistments in Newfoundland Aug 1940. The highest number I can find is 798856. There are 43 Names still missing.

    The rest of the Newfoundlanders Enlisted at various recruiting centres in the UK at various times (but mostly at the beginning of WW2).

    The main anomalies are:
    792687 Rogers John Charles Enlistment of Poles in UK Aug 1940??

    798598 Rowsell Arthur Douglas Duplicate Numbers
    798598 Vatcher Austin Reginald Duplicate Numbers

    798603 Larner Arthur Leslie Duplicate Numbers
    798603 Taylor Neil Clifton Duplicate Numbers

    3398255 Deakin Robert Francis Bernard Number Not Issued?
    Swyers James Number not Known

    I still don't know what the precise definition was of a "Local Enlistment". I've saved the spreadsheet in case anybody needs it.

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    Further to my last.
    I know nothing about the various NF family histories, but COL's two lists throw up some possible (rpt, possible) typos:-

    339844 Bown Gerald MacNess
    1108703 Bowns Chesley Harrison UK Enlistments Card/Pad Sep 1939

    798743 Cole Frederick Joseph
    798759 Cole Raymond Boyd
    798663 Coles Maxwell Adam

    798588 Earl George William
    915593 Earle Arthur Edward UK Enlistments Uxbridge Sep 1939
    798761 Earle Arthur Henry
    798849 Earle Charles Weston

    798709 Grouchy Alexander Francis
    798608 Gruchy Albert
    798561 Gruchy Philip

    Just a thought!

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    Richard,

    I think you might find the following publication useful in researching Newfoundland enlistments:

    More Fighting Newfoundlanders.
    Nicholson,G W.L.
    St.John's:Govt. of Newfoundland & Labrador,1969.
    (621pp.)

    I don't have a copy of this book, but I believe it contains listings of Newfoundland enlistments.

    Maybe Hugh Halliday could enlighten us?

    Col.
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    Thanks for going above and beyond. In the 407 Sq ORB, it states, for Feb 14,1942, 6 RAF NFLD Wireless/Airgunners sent to 59 Squadron for 6 RCAF of the same. I now have to try to figure out who they were. I have sorted only one, last name Cutler.

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    Richard,
    798587 Charles Utley CUTLER Enlists in the "Local Enlistments Newfoundland" block sometime after Aug 1940. What he was doing outside Newfoundland makes a nonsense of my (ill remembered?!) definition of "Local Enlistment"! RAF 59 Sqn was (from RAFWEB) never anywhere near Newfoundland. What RCAF 6 Sqn were doing (where/when?) may take one of our Canadian experts to unravel!
    It would be a great help if somebody (Malcolm Barrass, Jim Routledge, Bill Walker, etc, etc,) could define the difference(s) between a "Local Enlistment" and an ordinary "Enlistment" (and whether a "Local Enlistment" in Newfoundland was any different from any other"Local Enlistment").

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    Peter my understanding is that Local Enlistment is to do with the difference between recruitment depot and Reception Depot (note the lower and uppercase)

    KR&ACI make the observation that the procedure for entry for every recruit apart from Aircraft Apprentice/Apprentice Clerks and Boy Entrants to be accepted at the recruitment depot then sent to the Reception Depot for trade testing and final acceptance.

    Thus the recruitment depot could be in Newfoundland/Egypt/Mata etc and so defined as Local Enlistment and allocating service number from their own sequence but nothing would be set in stone until the bod had been tested and accepted by Depot.

    System also worked for CRC in the UK - just that admin omitted the term Local.

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