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    Default 10 Air Gunners School ORB

    A bit of a long shot, but does anyone have a copy of the ORB for 10 Air Gunners School (1942 - 1944)?

    National Archive Reference: AIR 29/597
    Description: 10 Air Gunners School; based at Castle Kennedy, Walney Island, Barrow and Valley. Includes several photographs of personnel on training courses (AGS UK).
    Note: with appendices
    Date: 1941 July-1947 June

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    Pete,
    Just a bit of niff-naff pedantic trivia.
    Presume you mean by "Walney Island, Barrow" that they are the same place?
    The Automatic Weather Station (AWS) I put in at Walney Island is at 54.124880 -3.257961 on GE. It is an appallingly bleak location! If I'd been a u/t AG there, I would have fired all my rounds, done my course-work, done my airborne sorties, and got to hell out of it as soon as possible. Not the sort of place you would want an extended stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I have some of the ORB, Walney is as has been said is a bleak place, I try and avoid that place if at all possible. Barrow-in-Furness, well enough said.
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    Alan

    Does the ORB list the pilots that were operating at the school each month?

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    Pete
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    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Default Loss at 10AGS - 11 February 1943

    I would like to know if it mentions Sgt Witold Antoni Szott and his tug operator LAC Owen Ralph Jolly, who were lost 11 February 1943 when their Lysander TT IIIa V9666 struck a ships mast in poor weather and crashed in to Morecambe Bay - Owen is commemorated at Runnymede, and Witold Szott at the Polish Memorial at Northolt.

    In memory of 1210694 LAC Owen Ralph Jolly RAFVR who died on active service on Thursday 11th February 1943 - aged 20. Owen was the son of Mr & Mrs Aaron Jolly of Southampton and husband of Doris Jolly of Barrow-in-Furness, Lancs. Remembered with Honour on Panel 171 of the Runnymede Memorial. And to the memory of his Pilot 780915 Sgt. Witold Antoni Szott (Polish) 10 AGS, Remembered with Honour on the Polish Air Force memorial at Northolt - Lysander IIIa V9666 Target Tug - serving so far from his home. Lost in the sea off of Whyre Point Light House, Fleetwood, Lancs - the bodies of both of the crew were not recovered.

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    Allan

    I have the ORB and there is a mention of him in the entry for 11 February 1943, "Telephone message received fro Duty Pilot to say that a Lysander a/c was down in the sea off Fleetwood. Sgt Szot (Pilot) & LAC Jolly (Tow Target Operator) were missing, no bodies recovered that day". There seems to be quite a few crashes; a crash of a Defiant as Askam on 01 02 43, the pilot Sgt Blunden and a cadet were killed. A Beaufighter V crashed at Poaker Beck, Treleth on the 14th and a Defiant crashed at High Carley on the 14th.

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    FAO Pete Davies: -

    You put together some equipment in some truly bleak places judging by your posts here over the last few years!! I hope you're well?

    L/O

    Greg
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    But you can't take Wales out of the boy!!"

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    1 Group Researcher 1940 - 1945

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    Thank you Daz, that's excellent.

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    I seem to recall there were some course lists early in their existence but they stopped, I was copying accident related entries but will check to see if I captured any.
    Alan Clark

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    I think this airman pilot was on the staff at the school which is why I was wondering if the ORB's recorded the personnel on strength of the school on a monthly basis. (I am still awaiting the name of the airman from my original enquirer)

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    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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