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    Default 201 Sqn vs U-297 6 Dec 44

    Hello all,

    201 Squadron Sunderland 'Y' is mentioned mainy places as having been involved in sinking U-297. A Flight magazine article in 1952 mentions the pilot as being F/Lt D R Hatton who was killed a few months later on ML743 in Donegal, Ireland.

    Most of the sources, good and bad, quote the aircraft as being N9025 but this aircraft is widely reported as being lost in the mediterranean in August 1940 with 228 Squadron.

    Does anyone know what aircraft F/Lt Hatton was flying on 6 Dec 1944 when tackling U-297?

    Also, I wonder if the crew on that day contained anyone who died in Ireland some months later?

    Thanks all.

    Dennis

    Crew killed in Ireland were:

    F/Lt Denis Ralph HATTON 129070 +
    P/O Robert Douglas Albert BECKER J/94373 + RCAF
    F/Sgt Stanley Bernard FRITH 1622351 +
    F/Lt Vivian HOWKINS 52705 +
    F/Lt John Percival GARRARD 410653 + RAAF
    F/Sgt David John Thomas TWIST 1233231 +
    Sgt James MCAVOY 1569940 +
    F/O Edward Norman CAVE 174865 +
    F/Sgt Norman DAVISON 1091488 +
    F/Sgt James George ROBINSON 1580143 +
    F/Sgt George Reginald KENNEDY 1257641 +
    F/Sgt Frederick Nicholas George FORD 1587824 +
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    Sorry folks,
    there was an older thread on this subject on the old forum! Getting forgetful as 30 approaches!

    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1708&forum=DCForumID 6&archive=yes

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    http://www.scapa-flow.co.uk/

    If you look under diving and then U 297 you will see a bit more about this story and how Ian Trumpess and myself found U 297 back in 2000.

    hope its of some interest

    Kevin

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    Cheers Kevin! Nice to see follow up on old threads
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis_burke View Post
    Cheers Kevin! Nice to see follow up on old threads
    Hi Dennis, only joined the forum a few days ago and came across your post, at the time of the loss of U 297 Hatton never got the credit for the sinking and it was given to HMS Goodall, but she had attacked U 775 35 miles from where U 297 is. U775 had just sunk HMS Bullen and she made good her escape.

    all the best

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    Hi Dennis

    To answer your original question “What aircraft F/Lt Hatton was flying on 6 Dec 1944 when tackling U-297?”.
    That (as you now probably already know) was ML882 NS-Y/201.

    There is a short description of the action in “The Short Sunderland” by Chaz Bowyer.

    It is also well covered in “U-297 – The History and Discovery of a Lost U-boat” by Richard Skinner (including photo of Kevin Heath)

    See also http://www.uboat.net/boats/u297.htm

    Cheers

    Richard (aka sunderlandnut)

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    Dennis:
    Expect you have already looked but some info on U-boat.net:
    http://uboat.net/boats/u297.htm
    Strangely, I don't see it in 'Search, Find and Kill'.
    Regards:
    Robert

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    Hello all

    I've gotten two photos from the daughter of John P Garrard who died in Sunderland ML743 in 1945. Only one of the photos has names and these are first names only and many may only be nicknames. They don't make any obvious connection to the names of the men on ML743 so it may be an earlier crew of John Garrard. I feel the 10 man photo might be taken at an OTU? Without engineers maybe.

    I've placed both photos on this page of my website and if ANYONE has any idea, knows a 201 veteran, could they help out with the names. Its along shot.

    http://www.skynet.ie/~dan/war/ml743.htm

    I'm trying to download AIR 78/168 which would contain 'George Whipp' if thats a correct name, but the TNA website will not function and take the order!!

    I've also sent a quote request to the TNA for the Squadron ORB for 1943 and 1944/45 for the period John Garrard was with 201 Squadron. Am, if anyone is feeling terribly generous and has these ORB's already....... pretty please, with icing on top!

    I never did answer one of my questions above, does anyone have the crew list for the crew flying with Hatton on the day of the U-Boat attack?

    All and any help is much appreciated

    Dennis
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    Hi Dennis,

    I've discovered a work round for the current large file problems of the TNA.

    Use discovery or catalogue to display the AIR 78 part.

    DO NOT USE THE BASKET

    Click on the view tab on the far right of the info header

    Now use the green Download button displayed on the righthand side.

    Will take a bit to spool the 400 mb files.

    Once your download box pops up with the files click each one to open a the pdf. (all the parts will be shown as separate files) then save to your system normally.

    Regards
    Ross
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    Coolio, nice one!

    That would would give me:

    George Emile WHIPP 1434095 KD d.1997
    George Joseph WHIPP 524644 F Might he be too young to be amoung this batch of numbers? 505001 to 549999 Oct 1925 Civilians
    George WHIPPS 1446792 BM - Enlistment batch, from: 1425001 to 1474999 Apr 1941 Cardington
    Geroge Albert WHIPPS 741028 F From 1937, RAFVR Pilots batch.
    Last edited by dennis_burke; 4th January 2013 at 11:39. Reason: added names and enllistment data
    Dennis Burke
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