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    Hi to all,

    I wondered if someone could answer positively to this possibility for some crew members of 838 sqn (on board Swordfishes) to be wearing the blue RAF uniform instead of the navy one ?
    If yes, it could be a very important information to try to identify a crew buried as unknown in early May 1944.
    Many thanks for any help you may provide, and best to all.
    Gildas

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    Hello and welcome to the forum Gildas,

    To start with the losses on 1st May 1944.
    There are three Naval Airmen that I expect you have already discounted, they are the crew of Swordfish II serial number NE946, letter 'K'.
    SUCH, Stanley Frederick - Sub/Lt(A) - RNVR - HMS Gadwall.
    COOK, James Benjamin - Lt(A) - RNVR - HMS Gadwall.
    GRAPES, Richard Crawford - Petty Officer Airman - RN - HMS Vulture.
    All three are at rest in Brest (Kerfautras) Cemetery, Finistare, France.
    (NavalHistory.net has 30thApril, Landfall air crash for P/O Grapes ?).

    The others were -

    The crew of Swordfish II, serial number NE923 'G' were -
    HAYWARD, Leslie Frank - Sub/Lt(A) - RNZNVR - HMS Jackdaw - MPK,
    New Zealand Naval Memorial, Devonport, Auckland, New Zealand.
    HANSON, David James - Sub/Lt(A) - RNVR - MiD - HMS Jackdaw - MPK,
    Lee-On-Solent Memorial, UK.
    ROWNTREE, Brian Lambert - Leading Airman - RN - HMS Vulture,
    Manchester Southern Cemetery, Joint grave 5776.

    The crew of Swordfish II serial number NE906 'F' were-
    WILSON, Ian Lewis Ruxton - Sub/Lt(A) - HMS Gadwall - RNZNVR - MPK ,
    New Zealand Naval Memorial, Devonport, Auckland, New Zealand.
    CLARK, Edward Thompson - Sub/Lt(A) - RNVR - HMS Gadwall - MPK ,
    Lee-On-Solent Memorial, UK.
    ROCKLEY, Albert - Petty Officer Airman - RN - HMS Vulture - MPK,
    Lee-On-Solent Memorial, UK.

    Refs were CWGC and Air Britain's "Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939 - 1945".
    Alex
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    Hello again Gilda's,
    Just a thought about your search, the date of early May of 1944. Is this date "set in stone" as it were ?
    I have found over time that many witnesses have got months well apart from the actual month of a crash.
    Anyway just for your information I add the following.

    23/24-6-1944
    149 Sqdn
    Stirling III - serial number EF188
    Crew were -
    P. LINCOLN, Edward J - P/O - RAAF.
    Flt/Engr. DUCKWORTH Ernest R - Sgt - RAF.
    Nav. RICHARDS, Leslie R - Flt/Sgt - RAF.
    BombAim. McQUITTY, Robert J - RAAF.
    WAG. BRADY, Francis P. J - Flt/Sgt - RAAF.
    R/G. FOX, Howard W. G - Sgt - RCAF.
    MUG. EATON, Edward - Sgt - RAF.

    DUCKWORTH ; EATON and McQUITTY rest at Calvados.
    While
    BRADY; FOX ; RICHARDS and McQUITTY are at rest in Brest(Kerfautras ) Cemetery, Finistare
    , France.

    Also
    502 Sqdn
    Halifax II, serial number JP168
    Crew were -
    P. ARMSTRONG, Elliott A - Flt/Lt. - RCAF.
    CP. NUSSLE, Morgan A - F/O - USAAF.
    COOPER, Harry T. D - Flt/Lt - RAF.
    MacPHERSON, Neil - F/Sgt - RAF.
    WOOLRIDGE, James A - F/Sgt - RAF.
    COOK, Stanley H - Sgt - RAF.
    EGLETON, Ronald W - P/O - RAF.
    POCOCK, Ronald G - RAF.

    Cook; Cooper; MacPherson; Pocock and Woolridge all remembered on the Runnymede Memorial, UK.
    Whilst -
    ARMSTRONG and EGLESTON both rest in Brest ( Kerfautras ) Cemetery, Finistare, France.

    NUSSLE, remains MIA to this day, and is remembered on the Cambridge American Memorial.
    His MACR is number 10484.

    There may also have been another RAF airman in this crew as a Sgt. WILKINSON, Ernest is also remembered on the Runnymede Memorial for this date and squadron.

    Alex
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    Alex,

    The serial of the 502 Squadron Halifax lost on 23 June, 1944, was JP168, not JP188.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/11288.php

    Col.
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    Hello Col,
    Thank you for the correction, I think it must have been "cold fingers" that I put 188 but even after checking I missed the error.
    Will now edit it in my post above.

    Further as to the a/c demise, what records would there be to show that the a/c came down in the sea and not on land, in enemy area ?

    To answer my own question I have just come across
    this -
    http://www.francecrashes39-45.net/pa...av.php?id=3755

    Seems there was an SOS message sent out so most likely in the sea ?

    Thanks
    Alex
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    Many thanks Alex and Col. Yes the information I’m researching about the possible wearing of RAF uniform is about two of these crew. The three planes were shot down near their target at Plouguerneau.

    One crashed close to the target in the Aber Wrac’h, the Swordfish was later salvaged with the crew still on board (the crew buried at Brest, so NE946).
    Another on crashed on the coast, and some remains of it were found in the sand or under some rocks.
    The last one off an island according to a French archive, and I met last year relatives of two crew members.
    There are four stones at Plouguerneau communal cemetery with that date 1st May 1944 engraved on them, so probably the complete crew that crashed on the coast and one member (or more as found on a written note on another post-war document) from the third crew.

    I discovered in the town hall archives an old picture showing both those four French graves all carrying that date, but also the first CWGC wood ones, and there’s information painted that was on the French wood crosses that do not stayed, as one named “Wilson P.L.P., officer”, another officer, and two airmen.

    One or some of these men would have been wearing blue RAF uniform, hence my question…
    Next year in September are coming several relatives of the pilot of NE906, Ian Wilson.

    Nothing ever allowed me to find any other information for JP168 Halifax crew, but Stirling EF188 crashed on a farm at night at Plougonvelin. I also met earlier this year a relative of the Air Gunner Edward D. Eaton. At least one thing was new to me, the AG’s post. Thanks !

    Thanks and best to you
    Gildas

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