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    According to Czech sources, body of 87616 P/O F. K. Dittrich 311 Sq who went missing on 23.10.1941 was washed up by Craigwen in Wales on 27. or 31.10.1941 (as there are two different dates from different sources.)

    With help of forum members I was able to established that the correct place would be Gaer-wen
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x...=sn344565&st=5

    Any ideas where can be stored a police report about the body founding if any survived till present days?
    I would like to establish which date is correct and if there will be any report with more details.

    TIA

    Pavel
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    Pavel, Hi,

    In the event that nobody comes to your help, there is always one way of finding the details of a Death in England & Wales. That is to buy a copy of the Death Registration Certificate*. Currently, on the FREEBMD site, Fanda K Dittrich's Death is only given as being in the Oct/Nov/Dec quarter of 1941. But the Certificate itself will give (a) the precise date (these WW2 Certs may differentiate between assumed date of death, and date body found), (b) the precise location, and (c) the cause of death. In addition to these, one of the most important items of information (to the researcher) on a Death Cert is the Name, and Location, of the Informant. The Informant is (s)he who informs the Registrar of the facts of a death. In most cases it is the Next Of Kin. It may be the Administrator of a Hospital, or Care Home. But quite a lot of WW2 DC Informants were 'Officials' - Police, Military, etc, etc. Not only is the Name given, but also the Location/Address from where the Informant came. Thus if the DC tells you the Informant was Police then you search the Police archives. In this case, it may have been Coastguard (or Lifeboat) officers, or the Senior Medical Officer at RAF Aberporth! I don't know, but it will narrow down the search. Beware that some 'local' officials, in those days/parts, may have read/written in Welsh!!!!!! Dittrich's Death Registration is in the area of Cardiganshire Central, and the Ref is Volume 11b Page 67 (there are 3 other entries of elderly Welsh-persons on the same page!).
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    *http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ce...nt_to_know.asp. The current cost appears to be GBP 9.75. Don't know what that is in Euros, but I am fairly sure that GRO will find a way of accepting your plastic money!! When Lyffe and I used to use the GRO quite often they quoted 14 days as the delivery time - most of ours arrived well under that time.
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    I would be checking (or getting someone to) the Aberporth ORB, as Gaer wen is a couple of miles up the coast and his body was clearly identified as an airman there should be mention in the SMO's report to the ORB.
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    Peter and Alan, thank you both for advices, I will make a try!

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    Hello all, was P/O Dittrich part of the crew of Wellington T2624 ? anyone know the individual code letter?
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    Pavel,

    What is your source for Dittrich's body being found at Gaer-wen? This looks to be a farm some 170 m (560 ft) above sea-level; the farm's western boundary is a very steep drop to the sea (from 180 m (600 ft) to sea level in 200 m (650 ft)). Google Earth shows there is no shore as such, just rocks with no means of access.

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    Hi Brian, thank you for your remark.

    Well in fact the source is this forum:-) The Czech books and archival sources stated "Craigwen" which I was not able to find on any map so with help of colleagues hear I came to conclusion that in fact it was Gaer-wen - see older thread.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...Wales-Craigwen

    Unfortunately I was not able to find any primary source yet which would confirm me correct location + date.

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    The best StreetMap reference is http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x...=sn344565&st=5 (Edit - but use the zoom feature once or twice which will give an excellent idea of the topography). There is a tiny inlet to the northeast of your location which is marked as Craig Caerllan Caves, but other than that the only lengthy and accessible beach is really at New Quay.

    As Peter has indicated your best bet is the death certificate.

    Brian
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    Thank you Brian.

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    Hi Tony K,

    I am sorry I have missed your post somehow.
    Yes he was a navigator of Wellington T2624.
    Unfortunately individual letter of this machine is not known to me and no Czech archival source/book mentioned it.
    So I will be glad to get it but I am afraid in would be nearly impossible as records about the Wellingtons used for training are incomplete.

    Pavel
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