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    Hello,
    Does anyone know the serial matching with the following 223 Sqn's Fortresses:
    6G-B
    6G-D
    6G-D
    6G-H
    Thanks a lot
    Phil

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    Phil,

    B-17F and G aircraft known to have served with 100 Group.

    6G-B - KJ121 - Fortress III B-17G-75-VE - US Serial 44-8624
    6G-H - KJ118 - Fortress III B-17G-75-VE - US Serial 44-8621

    The Aircraft of 100 Group.
    Streetly,Martin.
    London:Robert Hale,1984.
    p.66

    6G-D Twice?

    Col.
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    Hi Phil

    I may be able to confirm these in the next day or two from the book "Special Ops Liberators" which is all about 223 Sqn.

    There's tons of rubbish on the internet talking about 223 being 'a Fortress Sqn' in the RCM role, but that's very misleading. 223 almost exclusively flew Liberators during that stage of the war.

    Basically there were converting from Libs to Forts at the very end of the war and according to their own ORB they'd only flown 10 Fortress sorties IN TOTAL by the time the war ended. (And those 10, flown by just 4 of their pilots, were spread over 6 days in the last 3 week period before VE Day). By comparison, 214 Sqn, also based at Oulton, flew something like 1,250 Fortress sorties from April '44 to May '45.

    Being that late in the war I wouldn't expect any of their a/c to be B-17F's (Fortress II's). Pretty sure they'd all have been G's (Fortress III's) by then.

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    Phil,

    Here is the complete listing of No.223 Sqn Fortress III's mentioned in the earlier reference:

    HB793 - 6G-Q - B-17G-40-VE, US serial 42-98023
    KH998 - 6G-C - B-17G-55-VE, US serial 44-8240
    KJ109 - 6G-F - B-17G-60-VE, US serial 44-8342
    KJ118 - 6G-H - B-17G-75-VE, US serial 44-8621
    KJ121 - 6G-B - B-17G-75-VE, US serial 44-8624
    KL836 - 6G-Z - B-17G-90-VE, US serial 44-8969

    Possibly more were allocated, but information is slim in the literature, including Bond & Forder's, "Special Ops Liberators". Only additional serial mentioned, is: Fortress III KJ113 - 6G-D (p.213).

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    Phil,

    Here is the complete listing of No.223 Sqn Fortress III's mentioned in the earlier reference:

    Col.


    Col, you beat me to it!

    Ian

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    Morning,
    Thanks all for the list. That's what I was after. In some old books KL836 is listed as being 6G-Z indeed. However, its movement card (AMF78) doesn't show any allocation expect that it was stored at 51 MU from 23.05.45 onwards after modification at Scottish Aviation. Strange isn't it as all the other 223 Sqn's Fortresses are reported in their card? I think that 6G-Z was another Fortress.
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    Phil,

    Here is an updated listing of 223 Sqn Fortresses, culled from various sources:

    SR383 - 6G-X - 42-30812
    HB793 - 6G-Q - 42-98023
    HB818 - 6G- - 44-8085
    KH998 - 6G-C - 44-8240
    KJ100 - 6G- - 44-8240
    KJ102 - 6G- - 44-8244
    KJ104 - 6G- - 44-8337
    KJ105 - 6G- - 44-8338
    KJ109 - 6G-F - 44-8342
    KJ110 - 6G-P - 44-8343
    KJ113 - 6G-D - 44-8536
    KJ115 - 6G- - 44-8538
    KJ117 - 6G- - 44-8620
    KJ118 - 6G-H - 44-8621
    KJ120 - 6G- - 44-8623
    KJ121 - 6G-B - 44-8624
    KJ124 - 6G- - 44-8627
    KL836 - 6G-Z - 44-8969

    Col.
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    Morning,
    Thanks Col for the update, but SR383/X was actually the code it initially wore while with 214 Sqn (BU-X). This aircraft was held in reserve and for training purpose and flew once as X with the 214. The letter was later changed to F when SR381/BU-F was lost to be flown on regular basis. The card of SR383 doesn't show neither a possible usage by 223 Sqn.
    Phil

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    Phil,

    What do you make of this?

    Boeing B-17F-120-BO Fortress 42-30812

    Delivered Cheyenne 31/7/1943.
    Gr. Isle 12/8/1943.
    Assigned 423BS/306BG (RD-Q), Thurleigh 4/9/43.
    Transferred to RAF as Fortress II (SR383)
    214 Sqn (BU-F), Sculthorpe, Norfolk 29-1-1944 - fitted with radome.
    223 Sqn (6G-X), Oulton, Norfolk.
    1699 Flt (4Z-X), Sculthorpe.
    1483 Flt Newmarket, Suffolk.
    Written Off 1/8/1945.

    Col.
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    I have SR383 as flying 22 ops with 214 Sqn, coded BU-F, between 19/7 and 25/9/1944.

    It then disappears for a time (worn out after 22 ops?!) but then reappears in 214's ORB for just one further op on 6/12/1944 coded 'X'. (I'll double-check the ORB, but I had assumed that meant it was 'BU-X' although, now thinking about it, perhaps by then it had been passed to 223 and was 'borrowed' back by 214 for this single op wearing 223's codes of '6G-X'. I'll see if the ORB clarifies this either way).

    [Edit / Update: 214's ORB for 6-7/12/1944 simply lists SR383 as 'X', without giving any Sqn codes (whether 214's or 223's). It also refers to it (incorrectly) as a Fortress III].

    I do have a note (perhaps from Roger Freeman's B-17 book? - which is what Col's been looking at?) saying that SR383 'later flew with 223 Sqn', but I can't offhand remember where I got that from. Probably RF's book.

    Ian


    ps SR381 (BU-F) was the one previously written-off by Murray Peden at Woodbridge on 21-22/6/1944.
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