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    Default 460301 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 01-03-1946

    Hello,

    460301 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen 01-03-1946

    From Henk's List -

    WAAF
    UK
    FENNELL, Pamela Mary - LACW - 2070576 - WAAF - Marlborough Borough Cemetery, Wiltshire.

    SOUTH AFRICA
    VAN DER MERWE, P.D.H - F/Sgt - 36236 - SAAF - Parry's Cemetery, Free State, South Africa.

    UK
    BLACK, Frederick Lawson - F/Sgt - 355665 - RAF - Mortlake Crematorium, Surrey.
    BOGLE, Charles Ripley - Sqd/Ldr - 102615 - RAFVR - A.F.C - Edinburgh ( Warriston ) Crematorium, Edinburgh.
    ROBERTSON, Alfred Webb - Sgt - 655865 - RAF - Edinburgh ( Warriston ) Crematorium, Edinburgh.

    CWGC & Geoff's Sites -

    UK
    BRODIE, Archibald Mowbray - S/Lt(A) - RNVR - HMS Nabcatcher - 721 Sqdn - Lee-On-Solent Memorial, Hampshire [ Vengeance HB363 ].
    DESBOROUGH, Ernest Jack - Petty Officer(A) - Royal Navy - HMS Nabcatcher - 721 Sqdn - Lee-On-Solent Memorial, Hampshire [ Vengeance HB363 ].

    Alex

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    Hi,

    S/L C. R. Bogle - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bogle-218

    Mojmir

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    Hi all,

    from Joe Baugher lists - http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1942_5.html:

    42-94149/94548 Vultee A-35B-VN Vengeance

    94509 to RAF as Vengeance IV HB363. Transferred to Royal Navy Feb 27, 1945. Control lost
    in cloud and crashed in Sunk Bay, Hong Kong Mar 1, 1946. Both crew killed.

    from FAA Aircraft by R. Sturtivant & M. Burrow, pg. 480

    721 Sqn Kai Tak, lost control in cloud, crashed Sunk Bay, Cat ZZ, 1. 3. 1946, (S/L A. M. Brodie & PO E. J. Desborough killed).

    Pavel
    Czechoslovak Airmen in the RAF 1940-1945
    http://cz-raf.webnode.cz

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    Mojmir's link says he got his AFC as a Sqn Ldr for his Met work. The LG records his AFC (8 Jun 44) as him being a Flt Lt ('Acting' ranks are so listed in Awards in the LG). He is being 'looked into'!!!
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    We might not know - but we might know who does!

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    Hii

    UK
    FENNELL, Pamela Mary - LACW - registered in Marlborough.
    BLACK, Frederick Lawson - F/Sgt - registered in Hammersmith.
    ROBERTSON, Alfred Webb - Sgt - not Eng/Wales?.

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    Alex/Malcolm

    ROBERTSON, Alfred Webb - Sgt - 655865 - he's on the Statutory Death Register on the Scotland's People website:

    Alfred Athelstane Webb Robertson, Commerical Traveller, died March 1st at 3.00 a.m at 34 Newbottle Terrace, Edinburgh, due to Pulmonary TB.

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    I'm afraid the story provided by Mojmir's link does not stand up to close scrutiny. The link alleges Bogle was in command of met services in Madagascar during 1942, for which he was awarded the AFC.

    1. So far as I can determine there was no British meteorological presence on Madagascar in 1942, the nearest I can get is the formation of 1568 Met Flight at Diego Suarez on 1 Feb 1944 .
    2. If Bogle was in command of met services at this time he would not have received an AFC for this work - such a post was purely administrative and the AFC is only awarded for acts of valour, courage or devotion to duty while flying.
    3. Bogle is wearing pilot's wings in his photo.
    4. The London Gazette shows he was

    a. Commissioned from the ranks (LAC 1365193) to P/O (102615) on 21 July 1941 (which suggests he was commissioned on gaining his wings)
    b. Promoted F/O on 21 July 1942
    c. Was awarded the AFC on 8 June 1944, by which time he was a F/L
    d. None of the LG references places Bogle in the RAFVR (Met Branch), which is not surprising as the evidence suggests he was GD.

    His promotions to F/L and S/L do not seem to appear in the LG - at least I'm unable to find them.

    I suspect the story posted in the link has been passed down over the years without knowing the facts - something we have seen so often.

    Brian

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    Hello,

    Charles Ripley BOGLE's promotion; F/O to F/L (war subs.) 21-7-1943 (albeit, as C. R. BUGLE!).

    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/3737

    Col.
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    S/L Bogle's death was reported in the newspapers at the time. This is from The Scotsman, March 4th 1946:

    Squadron Leader Charles R. Bogle, R.A.F., youngest son of the Very Rev. Dr. A. N. Bogle, and Mrs. Bogle, 4 Cluny Avenue, Edinburgh, was drowned as a result of a skating mishap on a loch near Eddleston. He was about 30 yards from the edge of the loch when the ice gave way. A companion who was with him made desperate efforts to save Squadron Leader Bogle, but without success.
    Mr. Bogle, who was 33 years of age, was educated at George Watson's College, Edinburgh; he was captain of the School and captain of the Rugby XV. At Edinburgh University he graduated M.A., and he afterwards took the degree of B.A. at Oxford. He adopted teaching as his profession, and was on the staff of King's College, Macclesfield, when he joined the Royal Air Force.
    He proved a resourceful and intrepid pilot, and his services in meteorological flying in Madagascar gained for him the Air Force Cross.
    Squadron Leader Bogle was later attached to Headquarters in Nairobi in East Africa. He returned to this country at the end of December, and was on demobilisation leave when he met his untimely death.


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    Thanks, Simon. I didn't want to complicate the story, but my gut feeling was that the 'meteorological' and 'AFC' aspects of the story pointed to a Met Flight pilot, although, to be honest, if 1568 Met Flight was formed in Feb 1944, and his AFC was gazetted 5 months later, that seems an awfully short stint. There are others I know of who flew as Met Flight pilots for over two years who went unrecognised. Gut feeling (again) is that he was engaged in the role with another Met Flight immediately before joining 1568 Met Flight: in fact the reference to him being in command of met services suggests he was probably the unit's OC.

    Brian

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