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    Hello All,
    In RAFWEB is recorded the RAF Middle East Command “wiring diagram” for Jun 1945 (from the Jun 44 CAFL). It shows the ‘Administrative Staff’. SOA is Gp Capt Lord G N Douglas-Hamilton, SPSO is a Sqn Ldr F H Dean, and the ‘Organisation’ post is filled by a Sqn Ldr C R Bogle. His Sen is given as 12 Oct 44. He was a definitive Flt Lt on 8 Jun 44 (LG AFC). He was probably, thus, an Acting Sqn Ldr by Jun 45 (and not promulgated in LG). He was not in post the year before, and the post is not recorded in Apr 46. I, too, cannot find his Relinquishment/Resignation in the LG.
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    Hello,

    Possibility for Bogle's unit:

    No.1433 Flight.
    Formed 2.42 in UK with 4+2 Lysander IIIA.
    11.4.42 Arrived in Middle East Command.
    From 5.42 at DIEGO SUAREZ in No.207 Group, carrying out meteorological and photographic duties.
    19.9.42 MARATSIPOY.
    24.9.42 IVATO.
    10.42 TANANARIVE (dett to Tulear 29.11.42).
    12.42 To IVATO
    17.1.43 Joined No.258 Wing.
    By 2.43 MARATSIPOY.
    Disbanded 15.4.43.
    Aircraft - Lysander IIIA (V9427)

    See: RAFFT&SU/Hamlin & Halley/A-B 1997 1st ed./132.

    No mention of Bogle in:

    Dust Clouds in the Middle East The War for East Africa, Iraq, Syria, Iran and Madagascar, 1940-42.
    Shores,Christopher
    London:Grub Street,1996.

    Col.
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    Other than Col's informative post, 1433 Flight remains something of a mystery, although it appears to have been principally deployed as a reconnaissance unit for Operation Ironclad, the Battle for Madagascar (May - November 1942). Such files as exist in the NA seem to cover just 1942 (Air AIR 29/869, AIR 54/157, AIR 23/6525 and AIR 23.6526). There are a couple of photos at http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205207923 and http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205207922.

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    Biography for Bogle in The-Watsonian-War-Record-1939-1945, page 17

    CHARLES RIPLEY BOGLE. Ripley BogIe, A.F .C., Squadron Leader, Royal Air Force, was the youngest son of the Very Rev. A. N. BogIe, 0.0., and Mrs. BogIe, 4 Cluny Avenue, Edinburgh. Born on 1 th May 1912 he pent practically all his school days at Watson's, entering in 1918 and leaving in 1931. During these thirteen years he proved himself an excellent all–rounder, being a grand rugby player, athlete, scholar and musician. After graduating at Edinburgh University, he entered Balliol College, Oxford, where he had an equally distinguished record. Taking up teaching as a career he was appointed senior classical master at King's School, Macclesfield. In 1941 he volunteered for the R.A.F. and in June 1942 saw active service in Madagascar. Later he went to East Africa, where he was in charge of the meteorological department of the Command, and was awarded the A. F. C.for his work there. He returned home at the end of 1945 to be demobilised, and lost his life as the result of a skating accident at Portmore Loch, near Eddleston, Peebles-hire, on 1 st March 1946.

    http://lib.militaryarchive.co.uk/lib...ml/page17.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyffe View Post
    Other than Col's informative post, 1433 Flight remains something of a mystery, although it appears to have been principally deployed as a reconnaissance unit for Operation Ironclad, the Battle for Madagascar (May - November 1942). Such files as exist in the NA seem to cover just 1942 (Air AIR 29/869, AIR 54/157, AIR 23/6525 and AIR 23.6526). There are a couple of photos at http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205207923 and http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205207922.

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    Brian,

    Both photographs are well-known, they depict (left to right) Lysander IIIA's, V9606, V9499, V9350 and V9728.

    Col.
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    Apologies for the thread creep, Alex, Bogle's story seems to have taken on a life of its own.

    I think Martyn's post (#14) is the first to signpost what actually happened. The original link posted by Mojmir appears to have been based on the Watsonian War Record, which is not only in error, but has been misinterpreted. I am pretty sure Later he went to East Africa, where he was in charge of the meteorological department of the Command refers to 1414 Met Flight which was formed at Eastleigh, Niarobi, in December 1941, but detached to various locations along the east coast of Africa (Mogadishu, Port Reitz and Myndishu) during 1943. The 'in charge' almost certainly refers to Bogle being OiC of the unit for the reasons I gave in #7.

    As the OiC making regular met ascents in Gladiators he would have been in line for an AFC. One member of the unit, F/O Ralph, was killed when he crashed into the sea off Mogadishu shortly before dawn on 25 October 1943. He was descending from a met flight.

    If some kind person visiting the NA could spare a few minutes with the unit's ORB (AIR 29/868) that should resolve the matter.

    Brian

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    Col,

    Does Christopher Shores' book (your #12) include a list of RAF flying units, other than 1433 Flight, involved with the Madagascar episode, please?

    Brian

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    Brian,

    Yes, Shores does include a substantial listing of RAF (and other forces) in the index:

    AIR FORCE UNITS

    Part One - Commonwealth.
    Groups - RAF
    Brigades - SAAF
    Wings - RAF
    Wings - SAAF
    Squadrons - RAF
    Squadrons - FAA
    Squadrons - RAAF
    Squadrons - R(hodesian)AF
    Squadrons - SAAF
    Flights - RAF*
    Flights SAAF
    Other Units**

    *
    Flights - RAF

    430/1430
    1433
    'K'
    'X'

    **
    Other Units - RAF

    GRB 1 (Free French Bomber Flight)
    Habbanayi Air Striking Force
    Habbanayi Fighter 'A' Squadron
    Kenya Auxiliary Unit
    70 OTU
    4 SFTS
    102 Maintenance Unit
    1 Company RAF Armoured Cars

    The above unit listings pertain to the whole book, and as the sub-title (The Air War for East Africa, Iraq, Syria, Iran and Madagascar 1940-42) suggests, covers a wide area.

    Col.

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    Thank you, Col. I am corresponding with Bogle's nephew who has photographs dating to his uncle's time in East Africa. An example he sent was of a Bristol Blenheim IV (I think) and I was trying to identify the unit/location - but it clearly is not Madagascar. I suspect now the aircraft was with 35 Flight SAAF.

    Brian

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    Brian,

    "Dust Clouds in the Middle East", has the following:

    (MADAGASCAR) A degree of support was also to be provided by land-based units of the South African Air Force. Three Coastal Flights in the Dominion which had been involved in anti-submarine patrols, 32, 36, and 37 equipped with Avro Ansons, began receiving more modern aircraft during April (1942), and at the end of the month were all despatched to East Africa to co-operate in the Madagascar enterprise. Amalgamated for administrative purposes into 29 Squadron, SAAF, they were to carry out photographic reconnaissance sorties, and bomb French airfields and defences if necessary. 32 Flight had received a number of Martin Marylands for the purpose, while 36 and 37 Flights were each equipped with Bristol Beauforts (p.278)

    There is no mention of 35 Flight SAAF in the Madagascar section of Dust Clouds, nor in the Madagascar chapter of the SAAF Official History, Eagles Strike. The Campaigns of the South African Air Force in Egypt, Cyrenaica, Libya, Tunisia, Tripolitania and Madagascar 1941-1943.

    Disregard this if it is not pertinent to your researches!

    Col.
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