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    I have asked Andy for the full list on the Board (but I assume Vickers and maybe some Supermarine names on it)

    From the names suggested and supplied

    1) Flt. Lt. Edward Rodolph Clement "Tiny" Scholefield DCM AFC June 30th 1926 (not July 1st 1926 as reported in some sources) Vickers Type 121 Wibault Scout (no serial) at Brooklands Surrey

    2) [(3) ]F/O. Joseph 'Mutt' Summers and Mr John Maurice Radcliffe November 23, 1933 Vickers 207 S1641 at Brooklands Surrey

    4) Maybe Flt/Lt Maurice Hare (RAFO) April 19, 1937 Vickers B.9/32 (Wellington prototype) K4049 at Waldringfield, Suffolk - But probably not as not on Vickers staff

    5) Mr Jeffrey Kindersley Quill July 5, 1937 Vickers Wellesley K7737 at New Malden, Surrey

    Supplied

    Sources UK Flight Testing Accidents 1940-1971 (Collier/Air Britain) and http://www.ejection-history.org.uk

    G J Horne = Test Pilot Gordon Joseph 'Chunky' Horne (twice)

    1st Occasion 17th August 1955 from Swift F.4 (P) WK272 at (at South Marston) -> Test flight from South Marston near Swindon. Aircraft entered uncontrollable spin during spin trials also seen as taking off from Benson, Oxon. It struck trees and a bungalow. Three civilians injured. He will probably be also on the Martin Baker Ejection Tie Club List


    Thursday 18 August 1955, Belfast News-Letter, Antrim, Northern Ireland


    An experimental Vickers Supermarine Swift jet aircraft crashed in a wood on
    Paddock Hurst Estate, Turners Hill. Sussex, yesterday, and caught fire.
    The pilot. Mr. G. J. Horne (29), baled out and landed unhurt at a farm two miles away,
    but a Boy Scout who was walking in a lane was slightly injured by flying metal.



    17 AUGUST 1955 SWIFT F.4 (P) WK272 Mr G.J.Home (Test Pilot), Vickers-Armstrongs (Supermarine), South Marston. Intentional spinning trials. A spin developed from which the pilot was unable to recover. After attempting to jettison the canopy the pilot found that it would not separate until the seal was deflated. Successful ejection. (refs 23, 119 & 345). Ni casualties. Cat 5.



    2nd Occasion 25th June 1956 from Swift 5 XD909 -> Test flight from Chilbolton involving shutting down the engine in flight. Failed engine re-light at 25,000ft. The aircraft crashed near South Marston. He will probably be also on the Martin Baker Ejection Tie Club List

    25 JUNE 1956 SWIFT 5 XD909 Mr G.J.Home (Test Pilot), Vickers-Armstrongs (Supermarine), Chilbolton. Investigation into the ineffectiveness of engine reheat at 25,000ft. The engine failed to re-light after a deliberate shut down. The pilot successfully ejected at 2,800ft and 200 knots. [This was the pilot's second ejection from a Swift]. (refs 1, 23 & 119). 1 minor injuries. Cat 5.


    Tuesday 26 June 1956, Belfast News-Letter, Antrim, Northern Ireland

    The pilot who escaped was Mr. G.J. Horne, a Vickers test pilot,
    who baled out by means of his ejector seat from a Swift jet aircraft
    from Chllbolton (Hampshire), which crashed at Sturminster Marshall, near Wimborne.
    Dorset.




    Tuesday 26 June 1956, Belfast News-Letter, Antrim, Northern Ireland

    E D Glaser = Flt/Lt Ernest Derek 'Dave' Glaser #82178 (was #748626) (later DFC AE

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Glaser

    "It was while serving with No. 234 that he was mistakenly shot down on 13 July 1940 by a Royal Navy warship off the English south coast" <- WRONG

    http://spitfirespares.co.uk/reference2l.html

    Spitfire BL427 on 28th July 1942 while with 234 Sqn shot down in the Channel off Plymouth by Royal Navy minesweeper


    B A G MacGowan.= Barry Alaric Gault MacGowan - Born 2 Jan 1925 in Mesopotamia (Iraq)

    Probably this incident GAL 56 TS507 12th February 1948

    http://sussexhistoryforum.co.uk/inde...ic=9772.0;wap2

    Note: Robert Kronfeld had previously used a parachute in Germany July 22, 1932 from Ku 4 Austria Sailplane named 'Austria' at Wasserkuppe ,Rhön Mountains - Not sure if he was a Caterpillar member
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    Paul,

    Your information on No.234's 'Dave' Glaser is somewhat muddled. Glaser was shot down by return fire from a Ju 88 he was chasing:

    A salutary reminder that everyone involved in flying and particularly in combat remained vulnerable, including the best, occurred on 28 July (1942), when Dave Glaser's Spitfire suffered decisive damage from the rear guns of the Ju 88 he was chasing, he was forced to bale out into the sea from the low height of 700 feet, 20 miles east of Falmouth. After hitting the water he became entangled in his webbing, which threatened to drag him under, and was forced to abandon his dinghy, which promptly sank, leaving him with his Mae West and treading water for an hour before he was picked up by a minesweeper and taken in to Plymouth.

    See:
    Dragon Rampant The Story of No.234 Fighter Squadron.
    Walpole,Nigel Group Captain, OBE,BA, RAF
    London Colney:Merlin Massara Publishing,2007.
    p.73.

    Col.
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    I think the actual detail of Glaser baleout may not be 100% confirmed if you look at the Spitfire Spares site (which was created after conversation with Glaser) he says Minesweeper crew said 'sorry shot him down were aiming for bomber' - I accept he was also shot at by Ju-88 - Best we can say is a possibly a combination of both or one or other..

    His Obit in Telegraph says 'shot down by RN' as does Wiki (but I accept they both have the wrong year)

    So unclear 100%

    Paul

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    Paul,

    Fair enough! I was off checking other matters and hadn't got around to chasing up the links.

    Col.

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    Names and "Dates" on "Brooklands" Vickers-Armstrongs Ltd Weybridge Caterpillar Board

    Thanks to Andy_Wis

    Capt J Summers 27.11.33
    Mr M Summers 14.7.37
    Mr E D Glaser 3.8.42
    Mr G B Aston 6.1.45
    Mr H Hemsley 1.3.45
    Mr T Lucke 13.4.45
    Mr J Warner 10.5.45
    Mr R C Handasyde 30.6.45
    Mr B A G MacGowan 2.2.48
    Mr G R Bryce 12.1.52
    Mr G R Holland 12.1.52
    Mr J N Montgomery 12.1.52
    Mr J Protheroe-Thomas 12.1.52
    Mr M Hare 19.4.37
    Mr J Quill 5.7.37
    Mr G J Horne 1955/1956

    Actual details and corrected dates (where appropriate)

    Capt Joseph 'Mutt' Summers 23/11/1933 Vickers 207 S1641
    Mr Maurice Francis Summers 24/06/1937 Gloster Gladiator K7976
    Mr Ernest Derek 'Dave' Glaser 28/07/1942 Spitfire BL427
    Mr Billy George "Bill" Aston #42328 01/02/1945 Warwick GR.V PN777
    Mr George Francis Hugh 'Hugh' Hemsley 01/02/1945 Warwick GR.V PN777
    Mr Douglas Webster 'Tommy' Lucke 27/03/1945 Warwick GR.V PN780
    Mr John M Warner FRAeS - 27/03/1945 Warwick GR.V PN780 and see Missing
    Mr Robert Cruickshank "Bob" Handasyde 07/06/1945 Warwick VI PN826
    Mr Barry Alaric Gault MacGowan 12/02/1948 GAL 56 TS507
    Mr Gabe Robb "Jock" Bryce - 12/01/1952 Vickers Valiant Prototype WB210 (Pilot)
    Mr Gordon Roy "Roy" Holland - 12/01/1952 Vickers Valiant Prototype WB210
    Mr Jeffrey Nicholas "Jan" Montgomery - 12/01/1952 Vickers Valiant Prototype WB210
    Mr John Protheroe-Thomas - 12/01/1952 Vickers Valiant Prototype WB210
    Mr Maurice Hare 19/04/1937 Vickers Vickers B.9/32 (Wellington prototype) K4049
    Mr Jeffrey Kindersley Quill 05/07/1937 Vickers Wellesley K7737
    Mr Gordon Joseph "Chunky" Horne 17/08/1955 Supermarine Swift F.4 (P) WK272 & 25/06/1956 Supermarine Swift 5 XD909

    Missing:

    Flt. Lt. Edward Rodolph Clement "Tiny" Scholefield DCM AFC 30/06/1926 Vickers Type 121 Wibault Scout
    Mr John Maurice Radcliffe 23/11/1933 Vickers 207 S1641

    Mr John M Warner FRAeS - 07/06/1945 Warwick VI PN826 (2nd Jump)

    Notes:

    12/02/1948 GAL 56 TS507 Squadron Leader Robert Kronfeld, AFC RAFVR (78782). Killed
    12/01/1952 Vickers Valiant Prototype: Sqn Ldr Brian Hugh Douglas Foster #67635 Killed

    Help:

    Mr John M Warner FRAeS "From NZ???" later Chief Engineering Officer Ansett Australia would like full name if possible

    From Google

    Mr John. M. Warner, FRAeS Australia's naw President The Australian Division's new President for the session 1975-1977
    is John M. Warner. BSc(Eng), CEng. FRAeS. He was elected to the post late last year. Mr Warner came into the aircraft industry
    in 1938 when he joined Vickers-Armstongs as an apprentice. After the war he went
    to BEA's Enineering Division and became reponsible for co-ordinating the introduction
    of the Airspeed Ambassador. Moving to the Ambassador. Moving de Havillands in 1952, Mr Warner worked at Hatfield on the Comet, and Christchurch
    on the Vampire, Venom and Sea Vixen before returning to Hatfield as Sales Manager- Airliners.
    In 1968 he moved to Australia to become Director of Engineering for Ansett Airlines his present post. Mr Warner
    was elected an Associate Fellow in 1948, and a Fellow in 1968.


    "Mr Warner, a New Zealander by birth, took his degree at London University and joined Vickers Armstrong in 1937. During the war years he was an aerodynamicist and flight test engineer at Weybridge. In 1946 he was appointed Project and Development Engineer for British European Airways and in 1952 went to de Havillands "
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    Morning Paul & Col
    very sorry not to have replied earlier to your posts, but I have been out of the country for a month or so and thus missed your latest responses.
    Re the entry above, Paul, and the crash of PN777 on the 1st Feb '45: The pilot of that aircraft was "Mutt" Summers brother, Maurice. He joined Bob Handasyde and "Tommy" Lucke
    in trying to determine the rudder problem which had befallen the Warwick, replacing "Shorty" Longbottom who had been killed the previous month. Maurice and George Hemsley
    bailed out of the aircraft near Epsom, Surrey, the aircraft crashing and killing to women.
    Re the dates: could they be the dates that the "honour" was confirmed upon the recipients - not the date of the incidents themselvesLL
    Regards both
    Andy Wis

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    Incidently, Maurice Hare joined the staff at Vickewrs mid-war, and was based at Chester and Blackpool
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    Andy thanks by the way is it Tommy Locke or Lucke? And do you know Warner full
    Name ? Thanks Paul

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    "Tommy" Lucke. Interesting story: He was christened Douglas Webster Lucke in 1909 and, during his early life, lived in Mexico, where his
    father was a mining engineer. Lucke is a German name, and so, with many Germans living in Mexico and being English, was given the nickname "Tommy" by his German school friends!
    Regarding Warner, I shall have a look at our records at Brooklands...
    regards
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    Andy thanks for background inf o on Lucke and I hope you can solve mystery of Warner second name !

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