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    Default Henk's "Y" Series - Y0001 Seafire L.IIc 809 Sqn FAA 09-09-1943

    Hello,
    While looking through Henk's lists I see there is one section "Y" which are it seems details of Events, pilots/crews/dates that have no a/c serial number as yet.
    There are some 200 or so.
    Here is the first one

    Y0001
    Seafire L.IIc - 809 Sqdn FAA - 09-09-1943
    Beachhead patrol, Salerno.HMS Unicorn.
    S.Lt.(P) McKenzie, Malcolm A - RN - Lee-On-Solent Memorial, B4-p7
    So, anyone found the a/c serial number and/or details of this action ?

    Alex
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    Alex interesting new series I hope! One point surely Seafire

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    Thanks Paul, now corrected,
    Alex

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    Hello,

    Operation Avalanche - 9 to 12 September 1943.

    Force H (9th to 11th)

    HMS Illustrious & Formidable

    Force V (Flag Rear Admiral Sir Philip Vian in Euryalus)

    HMS Attacker, Battler, Hunter, Stalker & Unicorn*.

    The Luftwaffe had reacted remarkably swiftly to the assault, delivering the first counterattack before dawn and following that with about 150 fighter-bomber sorties on 9 September. On this day, as on the next three, the Seafires proved to be incapable of catching the BF 109s and Fw 190s., but they were most effective in turning the raids back before the enemy could reach the beach-head. Only once did the Bf 109s stay to fight , and on that occasion two of them were shot down by 897 Sqn without any Seafire losses. Only ten of the interceptions could be termed 'combats', and four further enemy aircraft were claimed as damaged. Martlets of Force H claimed one Italian aircraft shot down and another 'captured'. No Royal Navy aircraft were lost to enemy action** but Force V lost four Seafires to engine failure and another thirty-two written off in deck-landing accidents. By contrast, Illustrious enjoyed an unbroken sequence of 209 accident-free deck landings, fifty-six of which were by Seafires of 894 Sqn.

    Force V which had been admirably led by Rear Admiral Vian, was disbanded on 20 September 1943.

    *
    HMS Unicorn.

    809 Squadron - 10 Seafire L.IIC
    887 Squadron - 10 Seafire L.IIC (6 to Paestum 12/9)
    897 Squadron - 10 Seafire L.IIC
    818 Flight - 3 Swordfish
    885 Squadron - 2 Seafire IIC (from Formidable)
    888/893 Squadrons - 17 Martlet IV (from Formidable)
    894 Squadron - 6 Seafire IIC (from Illustrious, 4 to Paestum 12/9)

    See:
    Carrier Operations in World War II
    Brown,J D (David Hobbs ed.)
    Barnsley:Seaforth Publishing,2009.
    pp.64-7

    **
    Odd, in light of the following:

    9 September 1943

    Fleet Air Arm, 809 Sqn, Unicorn, maintenance aircraft carrier, air operations in Operation AVALANCHE in Seafire. Aircraft destroyed by gunfire. McKENZIE, Malcolm A, Ty/Sub Lieutenant, RNVR, killed

    http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1943-09SEP.htm

    I suppose it all depends on what is meant by "destroyed by gunfire"!

    Air-Britain's FAA Aircraft 1939 to 1945 (p.434), mentions -

    Supermarine Seafire - Unidenitfied.

    9.9.43

    809 Sqn Unicorn, Operation Avalanche, stalled landing on, crashed in sea (S/L MA McKenzie killed

    Col.
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    Alex - suggestion on the thread titles - can the thread title be more descriptive.. eg : "Y0003 - Seafire III - 880 Sqdn - FAA - 24-7-1945" instead of just "Y0003" ? or "Y0001 Seafire L.IIc - 809 Sqdn FAA - 09-09-1943" instead of just "Y0001"

    It makes searching and indexing better . Google will do a better job in search results as well.

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    Where can I find the Y-list?

    John Engeslted

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    Alex - thanks - saw the Y0004 thread comment - that works well.

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