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    Default Aircraftmans 2nd Class 617586 John Murphy - Killed 1939?

    See:
    "Previously shown as Missing, now reported Died before Commencement of Hostilities". He is not listed on the CWGC either (as technically he was not a war casualty). "

    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/12077.php

    I think he was 4th crewman on HUDSON N7248 of 224Sqn crashed in sea off Norwegian coast on 31st Aug 1939

    It has been reported than crew were

    Fg Off Andrew George Henry Bell killed #36088.

    Sgt Stuart Norman Saunders (22) killed #590825.

    AC1 Frank Schofield killed #525984.


    Plus " AC1 Alexander Bathgate 567441"

    Bathgate is in error he was killed on 30/09/39 in Hudson I N7216 224 Sqn

    http://www.rafcommands.com/archive/05813.php


    Therefore I surmise that Aircraftman 2nd Class 617586 John Murphy was the 4th member of the crew of HUDSON N7248 on 31st Aug 1939
    617586 John Murphy Confirmed on Air 78
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    Paul

    The accident was reported in the Scotsman, September 1st 1939:

    BRITISH BOMBER'S CREW KILLED
    Explosion after fall into sea off Norway
    [by arrangement with the "Times," London]
    OSLO, Thursday - it is reported from Bergen that a British aeroplane crashed this morning near Algeroe Island, south-west pf Bergen. Eye-witnesses state that they saw the aeroplane emerge from the heavy fog covering the sea and heard the engine stutter. Suddenly the machine fell, and as it touched the water there was a violent explosion which blew the aeroplane to pieces.
    Four motor boats immediately went out and found three bodies floating among the wreckage. The bodies were taken ashore and later sent to Bergen. They were searched and their papers proved them to be British.
    Norwegian naval aeroplanes from Bergen later searched the scene of the disaster, but no more bodies were found, and there is no reason to believe that more than three were on board. The aeroplane was a Lockheed Hudson bomber.


    The penultimate sentence might imply that they weren't expecting to find more than three bodies, perhaps?

    Regards

    Simon

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    Hi Paul and Simon,

    From memory Hudsons initially did not have the turret fitted and flew with only three men. Fitting of these turrets took place gradually and I think the process might not have been completed until early 1940. Several squadrons in 1939 operated with three and four man crews at the same time for at least some months.

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    Martin Gleeson.

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    Maybe Murphy not on this aircraft. ORB ONLY mentions 3 crew

    Fg Off Andrew George Henry Bell killed #36088.

    Sgt Stuart Norman Saunders (22) killed #590825.

    AC1 Frank Schofield killed #525984.

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