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    Default P/O J.M. Gilmer (NZ), 51 Sqdn, 02/05/1940, UK

    What caused the death of:

    Pilot Officer (Pilot) John M. Gilmer, RAF 41690 (NZ), 51 Sqdn., age 23, 02/05/1940, Dishford Cemetery, UK

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    Hi Bart
    Gilmer is on the Aukland Museum Cenotaph site as died from injuries following air operations. Chorley has only 1 loss for 51 Sqn that night from operations to Oslo/Fornebu,and it wasn't Gilmer's crew. It might mean that Gilmer brought the a/c back safely and then died. the Aukland record is at http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/general/RecordDetail.aspx?dataset=Cenotaph&SearchID=939104 &Ordinal=1&OriginalID=24535
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    According to the excellent For Your Tomorrow Vol 1 by our Errol W Martyn, Whitley IV K9039 became lost in poor weather on return from op to Fornebu (op mentioned in above post) and ran out of fuel. Carried out forced landing and struck a coll between Burnside Fell & Dunsop Fell (Yorkshire Moors). Gilmer was 2nd pilot and was injured and later died on 2nd May at Queen Victoria Hospital, Lancashire.

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    Last edited by Linzee; 8th July 2008 at 19:22. Reason: heaps of typos! + blonde moment!!

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    Hi Bart
    Chorley does have Gilmer's crash which was an earlier op to Oslo on 31 Apr/1 May 1940. 1 Crew member died in the crash and the other 4 were injured with Gilmer dying later in Hospital
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    Dick

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    Thanks, Dick and Linzee - much appreciated.

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    Bart

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    Bart,

    The following amendment to my Vol One entry appears in Vol Three (being published this month):

    p79; GILMER, J M crashed shortly after c.0630. Gilmer died at 0200 on 2 May.

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    The ORB recorded the following:

    Whitley IV K9039

    Crashed Burnside Fell 1/5/40
    562018 P/O E. Cotton Broken thigh
    40196 P/O Gilmer Died of injuries
    580764 Sgt Coveney Killed
    551589 AC1 Salmon Severe shock and cuts
    626629 AC1 Maylin Severe shock and cuts
    Alan Clark

    Peak District Air Accident Research

    http://www.peakdistrictaircrashes.co.uk/

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    Note: Coveney date of death listed on CWGC as 30/4/40 - Wrong aircraft crashed 1/5/40 - But could explain why FYT has 4 injured Plus Gilmer, should be 3 injured, 1 killed and Gilmer

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    Paul,

    I think you may have misinterpreted my FYT entry:

    Tue 30 Apr/Wed 1 May 1940

    Bomber Command

    Raids on airfields in Denmark and Norway (by 50 aircraft - 7 lost)
    51 Squadron, RAF (Dishforth, Yorkshire - 4 Group)
    Whitley IV K9039 - took off at 1900 captained by Plt Off E Cotton, RAF, to attack Fornebu airfield, Oslo, but became lost in poor weather on return to England and ran out of fuel. While carrying out a forced landing K9039 struck a coll between Burnside Fell and Dunsop Fell, 3 miles WNW of Slaidburn on the Yorkshire moors. An RAF Sgt [Coveney] in the crew was killed and the other four members injured. The 2nd pilot [Gilmer - one of the four inj], however, later died on 2 May at the Queen Victoria Hospital, Lancashire, and is buried at Dishforth.
    2nd Pilot: 41690 Plt Off John Martin GILMER, RAF - Age 23. 204hrs.

    i.e. 1 killed, 4 inj of whom one later died.

    Errol

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    Errol

    Yep. mis-interepreted!

    I should have known better :-)

    Sorry..
    Regards

    Paul

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