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    Would it be correct to describe a war time Bomber Command Squadron as comprising a Headquarters, Servicing [Maintenance?] Flight and A, B and C Flights (assuming three flights). Would everything else have been part of Headquarters or would there have been any other flights / departments / sections reporting to Headquarters?

    I will need to expand this question to inter-war and post war at some stage, so any input regarding these eras would be useful too

    Your usual help would be much appreciated

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    Hi Pete

    I'm afraid it's more complicated than that. It depends on the period in question and the Group as well.

    I have just read the official history of maintenance in the RAF (WW2) which describes the development of maintenance from a flight responsibility to squadron, then station and finally base.

    I haven't time to transcribe it at the moment but will send you a scan of the relevant section in due course.

    Malcolm

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    Malcolm

    Thanks as always; I look forward to receiving it

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    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Pete,
    And don't forget that very many of the services required by any Sqn to operate efficiently were not provided by the Sqn itself. I'm thinking of SHQ Admin, Ops, ATC/Fire/Met, Sick Quarters, MT, Bomb/Ammo stores, Messes, Photo, Police, airfield defence, the civilians running heat/light/power/water/drainage, etc, etc. These (and others I've forgotten!) were provided by the Station. You could move Sqns around like chess pieces, but all this essential "backstage" infrastructure was not so easy to move!
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    Peter

    I was thinking of doing Station Establishment as well, but I haven't been brave enough yet.

    It is another fascinating area of research which I may get round to at some stage in the future, but squadron is proving difficult enough (particularly post war when servicing was in, then out, then in ... much like any other industry where services are in-house and then out-sourced, in-house then out-sourced, but it keeps the consultants and committees employed.

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    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    If you want to work from both ends then Bomber Command Group HQ establishment is on the images I posted elsewhere on the site.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/reference...f-an-raf-unit/

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    Thanks Ross

    Do you know if there are similar document(s) for the lower levels?

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    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Yup,

    Every command and formation had a listed establishment like the one posted based on role.

    It then dictated what was issued from stores down the the type of waste paper bin for named staff positions, the size of rug (if any) number of mess crockery etc.

    All peppered through the AIR files at TNA.

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    Thanks again Ross

    I will keep my eyes peeled (unless of course you could point me in the right direction)

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    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Pete,
    You could do a PhD thesis on this!
    There were, in Stores, different grades of Chamber Pots to be issued to the various MQs (Senior Officers, Officers, NCOs, and Airmen were the ones that I remember from having to do the routine Amendments to various APs!). These "Po Pots" were differentiated by the amount of gilding/decoration. Obviously Gp Capts and Air Officers needed gold decoration on theirs. Ordinary Senior Officers had more blue stripe decoration than Junior Officers - and so on.
    You might think that I am extracting the urine - but not so. In my heigh-day as the Station Met Office amender of APs (the job of a very junior under-assistant) I could also have told you just how many pairs of WAAF knickers should be issued on posting to the Far East. Just why the Met Office should know this escaped me then, and it escapes me now!!
    I look forward to your researches. If, on the occasion of finding a 'good un', you might consider 'broadcasting' it to us here on rafcommands, it might lighten a dull day!!!!
    HTH
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