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    Default Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

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    Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    F/O(P) Sydenham, Frank - 77793 - RAF.

    This Hurricane is recorded as being serial number P3274.
    Confirmation welcome.

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    Hi Alex,

    73 Sq ORB RAF Form 540 noticed the accident but without the serial, RAF Form 541 stated no serials at all.

    BUT according to:

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ls/r/C14502217
    AIR 81/579
    Flying Officer H B Bell-Syer: missing, later reported safe; bailed out of Hurricane P3274 over France, 24 May 1940

    Unfortunately I am not able to locate AIR 81 file for F/O Sydenham which may be helpful to find serial of his Hurricane.

    Pavel
    Czechoslovak Airmen in the RAF 1940-1945
    http://cz-raf.webnode.cz

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    Air81/405, Sydenham, P3274 also .
    However it would seem that the earlier loss was not P3274 but was P2803.
    FCL has the following.

    26 May
    Sydenham +
    P3274 "H".
    24 May Bell-Syer, wounded
    P2803 'L'.
    Carter Safe
    'K",
    19 May
    Langham-Hobart Safe
    P2543
    Thompson Safe
    N2385
    Pilkington Safe
    P2539
    15 May
    Orton wounded
    P2579
    Humphries wounded
    L1693
    14 May
    Pyne +
    P2812
    Roe +
    P2813
    Dibden +
    P2689
    McFadden Safe
    L1891

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    P2803 is P E G Carter http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=P2803

    But is also quoted for Pilot Officer David Nigel Wynnard Lloyd ANTHONY (40655) whose AIR81 mentions T2803 which is incorrect.
    Last edited by Jagan; 30th December 2020 at 17:37.

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    A complicated situation surrounding 24/26 May...
    Alex, can you confirm that in your summary list, the codes are correct for the pilot (so Sydenham H, Bell-Syer L, Carter K), or have they been matched with your belief of the serial involved?
    Regarding N2385, I thought this was lost on 22 Dec 39?: https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ls/r/C14141878
    Andy

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    73 ORB, pilot names and a/c in squadron letter .
    And
    N2385/Thompson 19 May 40, see FCL page 26 vol 1 revised.
    December 39 event pilot Perry killed - a/c was N2385
    Maybe the a/c was returned to service ?
    T2803 was a Wellington.
    But perhaps at some stage P2803 may have been a/c "T" ?
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 31st December 2020 at 04:17.

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Smart View Post
    73 ORB, pilot names and a/c in squadron letter .
    And
    N2385/Thompson 19 May 40, see FCL page 26 vol 1 revised.
    What about N2358 ?

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...286#post124286

    N2358 but this Hurricane never flew with 605 Sqn., only 43 and 73 Squadrons. I believe N2358 was lost or abandoned in France during May/June 1940. Its F.78 has no subsequent history

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    N2358 has been reported many times as being exported to Finland from the 2nd February 1940.
    So that opens up another avenue to search ?

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    I think the report of N2358 going to Finland is incorrect. All 12 of their aircraft are known:

    HU-451 (ex N2393)
    HU-452 (ex N2394)
    HU-453 (ex N2395)
    HU-454 (ex N2348)
    HU-455 (ex N2350) - is this the one being confused with N2358?
    HU-456 (ex N2392)
    HU-457 (ex N2327)
    HU-458 (ex N2323)
    HU-459 (ex N2322)
    HU-460 (ex N2324)
    HU-461 (ex N2325)
    HU-462 (ex N2347)

    They also captured 42 white/Z2585 from the Soviets in Feb42.

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    Default Re: Y0043 - Hurricane I - 73 Sqdn - TP-H - 26-05-1940

    OK,
    One was not delivered ( serial number ? ), two crashed on delivery ( serial numbers ? ), so that left nine. Then plus one Soviet .
    Were any of the three British a/c replaced at some later date ?

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