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    Default 357 Sqdn - Dakota IV KN584 - Lost 7 Sept 1945 Meiwang

    Hello,

    HERDMAN.

    7-9-1945
    No.357 Sqn.
    Dakota IV KN584

    Missing from Special Duties mission over Burma.

    Crew(Alpha order):

    1894540 F/Sgt ( - ? - ) Alexander Fraser CALDER RAFVR +
    1473480 F/Sgt ( - ? - ) Roy Metcalfe HERDMAN RAFVR +
    1565046 F/Sgt ( - ? - ) David McLEMAN RAFVR +
    R/131090 WO1 (Capt./Pilot) Harold William SMITH RCAF +

    All commemorated on the Singapore Memorial.

    Possibly others killed/wounded.

    Can't access my copy of TSGNO at the moment. What does Allison have to say?

    Col.
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    In KN584 there were 16 fatal casualties; four crew and the rest Army or RAF pax.

    I'm off to walk the dogs just now but will post their details later - did I hear a plaintive woof woof?!

    Colin Cummings

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    This is the info I have on this loss. I have not been able to prove conclusively that these men were all on board and so I am not going to die in a ditch over any different names. Where there is uncertainty, I always try to corroborate the details with information from a different original source - in this case I could not.

    07-Sep-45 KN584 Dakota IV 357 Sqn Burma 16
    The aircraft was recorded as missing on a day sortie but the cause of its loss was not established.
    Warrant Officer Harold William SMITH 23 RCAF
    Flight Sergeant Alexander Fraser CALDER 20
    Flight Sergeant Roy Metcalfe HERDMAN 22
    Flight Sergeant Daniel MCLEMAN
    Captain Alan Leslie GOLDSMITH Royal Engineers
    Corporal Stanley Harold GOODWIN Royal Engineers
    Lieutenant Colonel Edgar James KENNEDY 44 OBE Royal Corps of Signals
    Second Lieutenant Samuel McCammont LITTLE 27 General List ex Gordon Highlanders
    Sergeant Archibald SMITH RAF HQ 904 Wg
    Sergeant Alfred Claude Brenton SOWDEN 27 MM Royal Corps of Signals
    Lieutenant Colonel Sydney Isaac WIGGINTON 31 OBE Sherwood Foresters Regiment
    RAF passengers believed to be:
    Flight Sergeant William Thomas Patrick DAVIES 23
    Flight Sergeant Robert NAPIER
    Leading Aircraftman Frederick John BRYANT
    Flying Officer Bernard HOBART 22 28 Squadron
    Flight Sergeant Donald Hugh WILD 28 Squadron

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    Thank you John and the two Colins for filling in some more gaps.

    Regards

    Simon

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    Default Roy Metcalfe Herdman

    Have just come across this site.Roy Herdman was killed in this incident. It was his 23rd birthday. He was my uncle, my mother brother, whom I never met.He left home on boxing day 1942 after some leave, never to return. I was only 2 years old at the time of his death. I remember seeing a letter from his C.O to my grandfather (Now lost) offering condolences and giving reason for crash as "the aircraft being knocked out of the sky by a sudden gust of wind whist flying thro' mountains" I suppose we call it "wind shear" now. I have a photograph of the grave but have lost the grave's co-ordinates. I also have 6 of his diaries which he filled in from 1939 when he left home as a 17 year old to work in the ministry of shipping thro' joining up in 1942 and his travels through South Africa, Iraq, India Ceylon, Burma & Thailand until the day before his death on 7th September 1945. I also have a photo' of him with his crew and I suppose their aircraft - date and place unknown.
    Roy Shute.

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    Hello Roy

    Thank you for the extra info about Flt Sgt Herdman. He is commemorated on the Singapore Memorial:
    http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=1441794

    Also, he is remembered in three memorials in Northumberland:

    Firstly on the Roll of Honour at Bedlington High School:
    http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=6461

    Secondly the Royal British Legion in Newbiggin-by-the-Sea Heritage Centre:
    http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=10026

    and finally in St Bartholomew's Church in Newbiggin:
    http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=8058

    Best regards

    Simon

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    Default Flight Sergeant Donald Hugh Wild

    Could anyone one tell me how to find details of the grave of Donald Hugh Wild? He was the brother of my neighbour, and he was killed in a plane crash in Burma 7th September 1945( just after the end of the war) aged 21. Twelve were killed and I think were buried where they died. I do have all the names All my searches so far lead to a memorial in Singapore where DHW's name is on show( and my neighbour has visited this)
    My husband and I are visiting Burma soon and if there is any chance of finding this grave we would love to be able to do this. Any help very much appreciated, especially as I am a bit of a novice at thisimeldaread@btinternet.com Many thanks
    Imelda Read

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    Imelda, how did you find out they were buried? Was there any communication to the family?

    They all must be occupants of Dakota IV KN584 that was listed as Missing (Reference: Colin Cummings - Price of Peace) - i dont have it with me so cant confirm if the passenger list is same as below

    If they were missing then it is in conflict with your information that they were buried - could you provide details on how you know they were buried?

    From Geoff's Search Engine

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    001	BRYANT	 FJ	 1398164	 -	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    002	CALDER	 AF	 1894540	 357 SQDN	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    003	DAVIES	 WTP	 552842	 -	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE
    004	HERDMAN	 RM	 1473480	 357 SQDN	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    005	HOBART	 B	 171213	 28 SQDN	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    006	MCLEMAN	 D	 1565046	 357 SQDN	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    007	NAPIER	 R	 1054912	 -	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    008	SMITH	 A	 548541	 -	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    009	WILD	 DH	 1583540	 28 SQDN	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    010	YUSUF BIN CHEMAN	-	 ME/318	 -	 07/09/1945	 ROYAL ARTILLERY
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    Thanks Col.

    Roy Shute's post that he has seen photo of the grave site answers my question to Imelda on the source behind the grave site..

    This must be another case of the RAF knowing where they were buried but commemorating them on the memorial separately.

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    From Jim McLeman.






    I recall someone looking for information about this plane and as to what happened to it.
    The plane hit the side of a mountain while carrying 12 passengers and 4 crew members of which my uncle was the Radio/ Gunner F/Sgt Daniel McLeman. RAFVR # 1565046.

    The plane was found a week after it was lost just 10 miles from base. The plane was identified by its tail and personal belongings of one crew member R?M.Herdman. The plane had hit the side of a mountain 6000 ft above sea level and 1000 ft above the Drop Zone.
    I am in position of a letter written to my grandmother written by the then S/Leader Terence O,Brien of 357 Sqd on March 13 th 1946 advising my grandmother of the mishap and the location of the original grave site given as 17 deg 53 ft North and 97 deg 17 ft East. I also have original photo,s of the grave site showing the large wooden cross in the middle of a village called Mewaing.

    S/ Leader Terence O,Brien in one of his books covers the accident briefly in The Moonlight War page 342 and page 343

    The pilot of KN584 was a Canadian by the name of Harold William Smith the son of Harold and Alice of Guelph in Ontario. I have been trying for many years now to locate some family members of Harold W.Smith with no luck. Do you have any idea how I may accomplish this task.

    Looking forward to hearing from you or any member of the group.
    Regards. Jim McLeman.
    Calgary Alberta and Phoenix Arizona

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