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    Default Wellington lost. October 8 to 9, 1942.

    Hello,
    I would like to know if there is an ORB for 26 OTU.

    Or a loss card for a Wellington lost in the night of October 8 to 9, 1942.

    Crew of the Wellington Bomber: POW crew.
    Geof Salt - Pilot (New Zealand)
    Sid Gorton - Navigator - (England)
    Ivan Allen - Wireless Operator (England)
    Gerry Richardson - Rear Gunner
    Ernest Wellings - Sgt. Navigator/bomb/airman
    Cordialement,
    Regards,
    Mit freundlichem Gruß,

    Dan

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    Dan

    There is a loss card for Z1839 (26 OTU) dated 9th October 1942 with those names (all POW). Do you need any details from it regarding service numbers etc?. There are no details regarding cause of loss etc

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    Pete
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    Pete,

    Z1839 was Fairey Firefly I. See: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co...try.php?id=128

    Col.

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    Thank you for the information.
    After a 9-hour flight, the plane ran out of fuel and the pilot was forced to make a forced landing at Saint Mars la Futaie (Mayenne).
    Cordialement,
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    Mit freundlichem Gruß,

    Dan

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    Col

    I have rechecked and that is the number shown for the Wellington ... I guess we have a clerical error on the card

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    Pete
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    I looked in the lists of Vickers Wellington orders and production.
    The last series released for Z. Wellington Mark III. 4th production. batch V-A Chester. Z1717-1751 (35).
    Cordialement,
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    Hello,

    I notice the Conscript Heroes site is also having trouble identifying the Wellington (according to Keith Janes, it was on a "Bullseye" exercise).

    http://www.conscript-heroes.com/esca.../DetW-List.htm

    See: Gorton, Richardson & Wellings.

    Col
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    The correct serial is R1389. See also page 167 of Bill Chorley's OTU volume, where the unit is given as 16 OTU (also in Air-Britain serials) but is actually 26 OTU.

    Errol

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    G'Day Errol,

    Not questioning your comments on Wellington IC R1389, but do you have documentary material verifying its loss, ie unit, crew etc? If so, any chance of seeing it?

    Col

    PS. How is that 1914-1918 volume coming along?

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    Hello Col,

    My post was somewhat cryptic as I had only a minute or two to write it before heading off to the Air Force Museum of New Zealand for an AHSNZ meeting.

    NZ415382 Geoffrey Courthope Salt: On the night of 8-9 Oct 1942 Salt was captain of a Wellington aircraft of 26 OTU, RAF Station Wing, engaged in a 'BULLSEYE' exercise that took off at 1930 hours. After 9 hours flying, during which the navigator was unable to obtain a fix and the wireless operator unable to establish radio contact, the aircraft ran out of fuel. With the port engine cutting out it was decided, at about 0430 hours, to make a wheels-up forced-landing. They landed safely and evacuated the aircraft just before it burst into flames. They then found they had landed in France. Salt and his Wireless Operator successfully evaded for 8 days before capture by the Germans, while the remainder of the crew were captured a few days later.

    The Museum holds Salt's memorabilia that includes a small note book in which he noted down the circumstances of his arrival in France as per the above, retaining the notebook throughout his periond of captivity. The others in his crew are unnamed but presumably are as listed by Dan35?

    Cheers,
    Errol

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